Originally Posted by Ibuprofen87
Before my last relationship I gave up porn/masturbation for like, 2 months maybe. I was highly motivated to self-improve during that time. However, it made for a bad first experience with my ex, which lead to anxiety surrounding sex in the relationship (and combined with our own respective issues) really dragged the whole thing down. Not blaming nofap, just think that if I had been masturbating a normal/healthy amount it would have went better. So now, I’m thinking that balance is better, at least for me. If you are addicted to porn sure, that’s a problem. And obviously sex is preferable to masturbating, but if and when I don’t have access to sex I’m not sure total abstinence is preferable.
No, I don’t believe in nofap, but I believe in no porn and the two are highly different to me, and I think they should be for most men, too.
There is nothing wrong with masturbation. I feel like the nofap movement is making men equate porn with masturbation. While some guys have both locked together so intrinsically that they cannot do one without the other, like masturbation HAS to happen and CAN only happen with porn on, the trick and key to this is masturbating normally and successfully with no porn. I feel like the hardest part of my no porn journey was getting back into good old fashioned, just me myself and my penis, no porn on or anything else on at all, masturbation. What a challenge it was! I remember the first time I jerked off in a quiet room, not facing a screen, and achieving an erection and I thought “how long is this gonna last, can I stimulate myself for the hour+ I normally would mindlessly fapping to porn, or will I cum in a minute?” It was a weird, weird unsettling thought. I lasted like 3 minutes lol and was happy to just get it over with, but it gave me pause for next time: “I’m going to last longer next time and begin to appreciate my own body and penis again and really devote serious attention to it instead of just looking at porn and touching myself.”
I felt a major, huge disconnect between my pleasure and my penis. With no porn I’m focusing intently only on me and my cock and it was stirring up some major feelings. That was 6 months ago and I haven’t masturbated to porn since. I went from holding a wet noodle in my hand as my wife lay waiting and wet for me to give it to her to hard as a diamond and dying to have sex in just about a month of quitting porn.
Some men may need to pair nofap with no porn. But healthy masturbation is the key, in my mind, when it comes to being with a woman after a rough patch that is ED-related. I feel like the longer a man goes without masturbation the more likely he is to relapse with porn because he needs to get off so bad.
Good luck with all of this, we’re here and active and I read everything that comes through these threads, just know that you aren’t alone and we all have something related to this going on and are working on getting through it!!! :)
Starting length, Spring 2003: bpel 6 3/8", bpfsl ~6 1/2", flaccid ~3-4" (never measured flaccid stretched or hanging flaccid; starting girth was probably ~5"-5 1/4")
Summer 2004: bpel 7 7/8", bpfsl 8 1/8", flaccid ~4", erect girth 5.3"
Spring 2018: bpel 7 1/4", bpfsl 7 5/8", erect girth 5 1/8"; Spring 2020: bpel 7 3/4", bpfsl 8", erect girth 5 3/8". Current - August 2023: bpel 7 3/4", bpfsl 8", erect girth mid shaft 5 1/4" (5 1/2" at base)