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Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold

I have been beating that drum for quite some time. I’m just going to give it a tap here and affirm this, yet again.

I stand by the ideal size in my sig line. I’ve never changed it :D


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Originally Posted by Titleist
I guess this hasn’t been my experience.

To be honest your starting stats (7.75 by 5.75) are both +3 sigma above the average penis size — 1 in ten thousand or more combined


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

Originally Posted by kdong
To be honest your starting stats (7.75 by 5.75) are both +3 sigma above the average penis size — 1 in ten thousand or more combined

That’s way over my head.


Started 7.75x5.75

Currently: 9.75bpX6.75eg My Picture Thread

Goal:10.0bpX7.25mseg Building a thicker unit, click by click, pump by pump, jelq by jelq!

Originally Posted by firegoat
I stand by the ideal size in my sig line. I’ve never changed it :D

I might go to 7.75 by 5.75 — long enough to be sure to hit the A spot regardless of position, yet not too long to be uncomfortable.

5.75 Girth because at 5.5 I feel another .25” would be “pneumatic” — BNW


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

Originally Posted by Titleist
That’s way over my head.

What it means is that you had a scientifically verifiable huge dick to start with.

+3 sigma means only 1.5 men out of 1,000 would be longer than you or thicker

Your length and girth combined means in a town of 50,000 — 25,000 being men — it’s likely no woman would ever fuck a local dick that was BOTH longer and thicker than yours.

Biggest dick in town.

In honest conversations with my spouse, who has had 20 plus partners — only 2 have been longer than my 7.125” , and only one has been thicker than my 5.5”.


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

Originally Posted by kdong
What it means is that you had a scientifically verifiable huge dick to start with.

+3 sigma means only 1.5 men out of 1,000 would be longer than you or thicker

Your length and girth combined means in a town of 50,000 — 25,000 being men — it’s likely no woman would ever fuck a local dick that was BOTH longer and thicker than yours.

Biggest dick in town.

In honest conversations with my spouse, who has had 20 plus partners — only 2 have been longer than my 7.125” , and only one has been thicker than my 5.5”.

Thank you for the explanation.


Started 7.75x5.75

Currently: 9.75bpX6.75eg My Picture Thread

Goal:10.0bpX7.25mseg Building a thicker unit, click by click, pump by pump, jelq by jelq!

Ideal penis

Hi guys

I have just got into this recently, never had any interest in penis enlargement before.
I came across this chart of woman’s perfect penis size Penis Size Preference Chart: SEE WHAT WOMEN WANT HERE! | HuffPost Life
And thought to myself I am a little short of this perfect zone.
So I looked into it just out of boredom really and found the only scientific studies that confirmed penis enlargement was jelqing.
I thought to myself well I guess its worth a go, cost nothing but time.
After studying the technique’s and the science behind it I began last week, I started with a 6.5 inch long and almost 6 inch girth (at base, it narrows towards the head) I am amazed that I am now 7 inch long after 1 week, well 5 days as done for 2 days 1 off, done 2 days then 1 off again and again yesterday.
I am skeptical by nature (elitism is built on lies after all) so I am pleasantly surprised that this really works.
Now with all the research I did before starting I was not expecting to see any growth until 2 or 3 months of jelqing.
I know many talk about the gains happening at start but is 1 week normal?
If my study of jelqing was accurate is the length associated to the suspensory ligament?
I have a medical condition that means my tendons and ligaments are not as strong as most peoples so I would speculate that this maybe a big factor in my half inch gain with only 5 sessions.
I hear guys sessions are 10 to 15 mins or even 4 or 5 times a day.
I just do 1 but I take my time, usually around 1 hour to 90 mins from start to finish, I also use a hot water bottle rather than warm cloth and I use it frequently throughout my sessions. I use it to not only warm my penis but also my PC muscle and my Suspensory ligament as I theorize that the warmer they are the easier they will stretch.
A warm piece of cheese will stretch, a clod one will snap. I don’t want anything to snap, lol.

Now my question to guys who have big gains is when do you stop? What is the males idea of perfect size?
If say you are 9 inch or longer is that not going too far if women find perfect between 7 and 8.5?
Ofcourse this is a average and every woman is different but surely being too long can some what take away the closeness of penetration.

Personally before I stared I was thinking if I got to 7 - 7.5 I be happy but I would not like to be any longer than 8 inch.
So maybe by week 3 I can stop jelqing if growth rate continues, lol.
I would however like to add to my girth along the shaft, so I prob study girth once I get ideal length so maybe another half or 1 inch to go.

Are there any guys on here that have achieved what they wanted and stopped or is it just ingrained in the male ego that we always want more?

The site they pulled that from has been debunked. It’s common knowledge through experiences of guys here and of typical women that 6.5” girth is complicated at best for many women. The site that chart originated from was originally made to prey on men and sell a penis enlarging supplement. The chart is all wrong.

Your swift gains now are common of a PE Newbie. Search “Newbie gains” in the search bar and start a new thread in the Penis Enlargement Basics forum if you have more questions, so we don’t take this thread off topic.

Short answer on when men quit? Never. Once you see gains, most never stop. Myself included.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by kdong
Not flawed, but perhaps you are mis-informed.

The Veale study didn’t use erect length data from the Italian soldiers (Ponchietti, et al ; 2001) — only flaccid length, stretched length, and flaccid circumference.— there is a nice chart on exactly what studies were used, AND what data was used from each study in the full online paper. — go to the link — scroll down to the interactive study list — and you will see n/a for both erect length and erect circumference in the row associated with the Italian study.

(from the paper):

Eligibility Criteria:

Studies were included if there was agreement of two of the authors:

1. Quantitative measurement of penis size was measured by a health professional.
2. The sample included a ≥50 participants.
3. Participants were aged ≥17 years.
4. A mean and SD of the sample size measurements were provided.
5. Flaccid or erect length was measured from the root (pubo-penile junction) of the penis to the tip of the glans (meatus) on the dorsal surface, where the pre-pubic fat pad was pushed to the bone.
6. Flaccid stretched length was measured as above while maximally extending the penis.
7. Flaccid or erect circumference (or ‘girth’) was measured at the base or mid-shaft of the penis, (and not from the corona).
8. They were published in the English language.

http://onlineli brary.wiley.com … /bju.13010/full


I just found ONE DEFINITE MISTAKE in the Veale compilation of studies. In http://onlineli brary.wiley.com … /bju.13010/full the Veale study has Wessels’s study in 1996 listed as 12.89 and has that recorded as BP length, when in fact in was actually a non bone pressed length.
Here is a source showing 12.89 as the NBP erect length and then further down it lists 6.3” as the functional length (BP measurement).

http://www.meas urection.com/fu … /bju.13010/full .

If Veale and co made a definite mistake there you would have to wonder where else they made mistakes. This obviously would also significantly change the final results as 12.89 or 5.1” included to work out the average of the whole compilation of studies is very different to 15.7 or 6.3” that should have been used.

[QUOTE=kb87]
I just found ONE DEFINITE MISTAKE in the Veale compilation of studies. In http://onlineli brary.wiley.com … /bju.13010/full the Veale study has Wessels’s study in 1996 listed as 12.89 and has that recorded as BP length, when in fact in was actually a non bone pressed length.
Here is a source showing 12.89 as the NBP erect length and then further down it lists 6.3” as the functional length (BP measurement).

Where is your Proof that is was non bone pressed?

The study by Wessels is behind a paywall. — The Veale study authors had a requirement for bone pressed (pubic fat pad pressed to the bone) — unless you have a definitive quote from Wessels that they did not depress the pubic fat pad — you are grasping at straws.

5"-5.25" is the AVERAGE BPL for ERECT penises, period


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

Excuse me if I don’t take some anonymous poster that says it was NBP — show me the study.


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

Here is an interesting comment from

”there is "plenty of documentation that even just 2-3 months of total impotence, e.g. Not even nocturnal erections, can reduce a man’s erect length by several centimeters compared to his youthful, pre-impotence size. It can be restored partially, if not fully, by the restoration of frequent erections. Some size studies in the 90’s had a lot of long term impotence patients in them because they were testing viagra and similar products and it was a convenient time to obtain erection size data. I believe many of these patients were status post radical prostatectomies before they could attempt nerve sparing sugrery. Thus, some of the studies from this era might be poor to compare with the average man because they are corrupted by this erect volume regression factor."

Bear and some of you other more scientifically minded guys probably understand all the stuff in that paragraph better than I do, lol.

He also said there was a "researcher measured" study done in year 2000 of men 20-40 years old that had an average erect length of 14.5cm. He said "although this did not include the fat pad, given the patient population age, I doubt their fat pad depth was as significant as in the Wessel’s study."

That is an interesting point, most studies have been on men suffering from erection problems, which would have led to those men losing size. The study from year 2000 that is commented on I think is referring to the 2001 German study Schneider et al. (2001).

Does penile size in younger men cause problems in condom use? a prospective measurement of penile dimensions in 111 young and 32 older men

Originally Posted by kb87
Here is an interesting comment from

”there is "plenty of documentation that even just 2-3 months of total impotence, e.g. Not even nocturnal erections, can reduce a man’s erect length by several centimeters compared to his youthful, pre-impotence size. It can be restored partially, if not fully, by the restoration of frequent erections. Some size studies in the 90’s had a lot of long term impotence patients in them because they were testing viagra and similar products and it was a convenient time to obtain erection size data. I believe many of these patients were status post radical prostatectomies before they could attempt nerve sparing sugrery. Thus, some of the studies from this era might be poor to compare with the average man because they are corrupted by this erect volume regression factor."

Bear and some of you other more scientifically minded guys probably understand all the stuff in that paragraph better than I do, lol.

He also said there was a "researcher measured" study done in year 2000 of men 20-40 years old that had an average erect length of 14.5cm. He said "although this did not include the fat pad, given the patient population age, I doubt their fat pad depth was as significant as in the Wessel’s study."

That is an interesting point, most studies have been on men suffering from erection problems, which would have led to those men losing size. The study from year 2000 that is commented on I think is referring to the 2001 German study Schneider et al. (2001).

Does penile size in younger men cause problems in condom use? a prospective measurement of penile dimensions in 111 young and 32 older men

Could, may, might …

Like I said — this is conjecture from some guy on the internet — not from a multiple peer reviewed published study or studies.

Do you realize that according to the Veale study 68% of men have an erect length between 4.5" & 5.8", with a mean at 5.16"?

And there is no definitive data that proves it is a perfectly normal distribution (perfect bell curve), meaning , the distribution may be slightly skewed between the mean and +1 SD.

However, absent that data — we should assume there is a normal distribution.


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up


Last edited by kdong : 10-24-2017 at .

Added Note: — experience and data from posters on TP show a high correlation between flaccid stretched length and erect length with the stretched length commonly being slightly longer.

Veale set the stretched length mean at 5.21” — highly corroborating the ERECT data.


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

As an aside — here is a quote referencing Wessels from

Penile measurements in normal adult Jordanians and in patients with erectile dysfunction

Z Awwad1, M Abu-Hijleh2, S Basri2, N Shegam3, M Murshidi1 and K Ajlouni3

"A measuring tape was used to measure the length, and the midshaft circumference of the penis. The starting point was on the dorsal aspect of the penis at its base at the pubic–penile skin junction, pushing the prepubic fat pad against the pubic bone as described by Wessels et al,3 while the tip of the penis was the other reference point."

That = Bone Pressed

https://www.nat ure.com/ijir/jo … l/3901272a.html

They measured a mean stretched length of 5.3" — .09" different than Veale


Kdong Starting: 7.1 x 5.125 vol = 14.84 cu. in. Current: 7.1BPEL 5.5 MSEG = 17cu. in. GOAL --> 8.5 x 6.5 vol: 28.6 cu. in.

Took Time off, lost some gains-- Girth cemented

No PE since 2015 -- starting back up

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