Originally Posted by capernicus1
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone have problems with sensible marathon sessions, if you look at a pumping only forum like newart you’ll see most guys regularly do several hours.
The thing is most of then don’t get permanent gains from it, we need to look at why.
An hour or so a day should be plenty of time to make progress with something.
We’ve touched on some of the problems like the pressure/time vs edema issue but what other factors would make a routine effective or not ?It seems a few of the guys who are using the Mr Fantastic pump have gained with cyclic stretching which I understand in theory isn’t as effective as long static stretches so what’s going on ?
Ya, I was looking on Tiger Pumping the other day and the guys there would get utterly huge, but apparently made no long term gains aside from an increase in pumped swell over time. The principles there actually seemed like they would ruin EQ, if not be very dangerous.
I think cyclic stretching (the Mr. Fantastic) is actually a valuable tool in pumping, but this is unique to pumping. I have discussed this at length with Austfred. What makes cyclic pumping effective has nothing to do with the effectiveness of cyclic stretching in general, but the MUCH higher pressures you can safely reach with cyclic pumping.
Pumping at below 5-6 -“hg actually creates relatively little expansion force on the tunica and other connective tissue. Not enough for many men to see permanent growth - their connective tissue is just too tough. So what can you do? Well you can maximize time, but if your connective tissues are very tough you still might not be breaching the necessary threshold for expansion force. You could pump with a liquid fluid like water, this will ensure most of the total expansion happens in the tunica if done properly, but still might not be enough for every man. You can use heat to allow the connective tissues to expand more readily (but really you should be doing this anyway). Or you can increase the vacuum level to cause more expansion force to be exerted on the tunica.
Increasing pressure statically, however, will probably not do more than cause a buildup of fluid and damage your EQ. But fluid entering the spaces between the tunica and skin happens much slower than blood flooding the erectile chambers, so a quick pump to a high pressure and then an immediate drop in pressure probably won’t cause a lot of fluid retention, certainly not as much as a long static session at high pressures. This means more of the total expansion will be due to tunica creep (expanding past its elastic range), which gives a much better chance of being able to achieve permanent growth if you are having trouble achieving it at low to moderate vacuum pumping.
This is my theory on the subject that I have presented to Austfred. I think it makes sense in terms of what is actually going on physically when you stick your cock in a vacuum.
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