"muscle between anus and tailbone"

Yes we are really really really really really sure OK!!!

So Dr.Lin just described a PC contraction (women) or a BC contraction (men) and a basic Taoist sexual qui gong exercise based around the microcosmic orbit. It’s all very basic stuff. There is much better stuff on thunders place if you look for it.

You are right Firegoat. Thanks. I wonder what Werner did to increase length by ballooning.

Firegoat, I have a question for you. Have you heard of the taoist deer exercise? It might be very similar to the sacral pump. I am wondering if that could lead to any gains because it is supposed to allow a man to edge longer possibly.

I posted about it here: firegoat - How to have raging morning wood (if you don’t already)

Thank you very much Firegoat, I will check it out.

Hey Firegoat, are you sure Werner was not talking about a muscle a little higher than the anus, I think I am contracting there correctly and when I do I feel a headrush sometimes which is like what Werner was talking about I think. It feels like if I followed my PC muscle (not the BC) back to near the anus. I think I am doing it correctly.

You are waaaay overthinking this. Just do as I said - focus your attention on your tailbone (coccyx) while lightly contracting the anus. IF you focus on the coccyx (not the anus) you will feel the contraction you are seeking. The actual ‘tailbone muscle’ is the coccygeus, but you will not be able to independently feel it to contract it, because you are not yet used to feeling it - but you are used to feeling your anal sphincter contracting, so you have to work from there - contract anus, but focus on coccyx. You will be contracting your PC as well, because its almost impossible to not contract because of where it connects to, but don’t focus on it. Focus on the coccyx.

You will learn by doing, not by asking lots of questions. It feels like I’ve linked posts and given you the same answers every day for several days, just worded differently. Just do it, and keep trying until you get it - it sounds as if you are getting the right feelings. If you are not sure, as me again in a month.

Just to help with understanding that the PC and other deep pelvic floor muscles are all interconnected, and that you will have a heck of a job just trying to contract just one of them until you have worked at it for a while, here is a chiropractic site talking about kegels and DPF muscles: Kegel exercises are vital for a healthy pelvis, prostate and bladder.

Wow, thank you very much. That is really great. Thank you so much.

Thanks guys

Hi there Firegoat, I think people are supposed to be able to have dry orgasms from contracting the tailbone muscle the right way. Is this the same thing we are doing when we clench our anus while focusing on the tailbone?

It’s very closely related and you may get some cross-over, although a prostate orgasm isn’t the intention when doing the exercise. If you want to explore prostate/dry orgasms you will learn it much faster using something like an Aneros to amplify the feelings and to contract against. Eventually you will get those same feelings without using the Aneros, if dry orgasms are something you are interested in learning.

Hey there Firegoat, if I am contracting my anus so it feels like it is moving up does that mean I am doing this correctly? Thanks

You will know when you are doing it correctly. The simple answer is yes. But focus your attention on your coccyx not your anus if you are doing qigong, or on your prostate if you are trying to learn ‘dry’ orgasms.

Ok, thanks very much. Would doing this make me any stronger or harder?

Just do it and see what you get out of it. You’ll either find it worthwhile or you won’t.