No gains in almost a year

Okay well I’ve heard a lot of great things about this forum and feel bad for not taking advantage of the vast amount of knowledge on here as much as I could have. I joined up a few months ago so I thought that I’d try my luck out on here. Thank you to anyone that takes the time to read the entire thing :)

I got into PE over two years ago. I was inconsistent for about the first 12 months, but for the past year have been going at it diligently. The last time (prior to today) that I measured was back in November 2011. It was extremely disheartening to have whipped out the ruler after almost a year of good work and see no size gains at all.

The only thing that may have improved is the girth, but I’ll admit that my previous method for measuring left a lot of room for error compared to my current one (using a tape measure). I have nice girth, just about 5.5 inches right underneath the head and it increases gradually to over 6 inches at the base. I hope I gained some thickness but I’m not completely sure.

Length was an absolute utter flop. My NBPEL decreased 0.35 inches down to 6.5 (from gaining weight), but it would have been fine if I had seen an improvement in my BPEL, which unfortunately stayed put at 7.5 inches.

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this. I worked hard so I should have seen something right? I’m not doubting that PE has worked for all of you, I am just terrified that I may be the odd guy out for whom it doesn’t work.

PE has done wonders for my EQ and has also made me more aware of how my body works, which has helped me last longer during stimulation (thank you kegels and rks!). If for no other reason, I will stick to PE for the benefit of having a healthier penis and increased self-awareness (plus the new veins look nice). I would be lying though if I said that I don’t care about gaining, because I do, and it’s the reason that I found this site and spent countless hours in the washroom exercising my penis with the hopes that it would grow to be bigger and stronger.

I changed my routine around quite a bit since starting, I really just went with whatever felt right. If I liked a new exercise better than the one I was already doing, I’d ditch the old and bring in the new. My current routine is this:

20 minute warm up
25 minutes of low erection level jelqs (done side-to-side)
3 “super girth sets”. Each super set consists of:
A) 2 sets of high erection level jelqing, each set being 15 strokes.
B) 2 ULIs, each held for 30 seconds, along with a kegel at the same time
C) 2 Big Al Squeezes, 15-20 seconds each, kegel held at the same time
Between each exercise/set I would restimulate myself to get my erection back. 3 super girth sets usually take about 25 minutes as well.

My next measurement will happen on Christmas day 2012, and I’d be the happiest guy in the world if I awoke to find that my member is bigger than it is today.

I have been told that doing a lot of girth work might be detrimental to length, but I find that if I do all length, my EQ suffers and erections also become harder to achieve. I can’t hang/pump, only manual work for me.

I’d love it if some of the vets could chime in and let me know where I’m making mistakes or what I need to do to get out of this rut. I’m taking a week off and then will stick to a routine for the next 3 months. My measurements from henceforth will become a lot more frequent (every 90 days or so).

I’m looking for about an inch of length (NBPEL and BPEL) and am willing to let girth take a backseat for now. Anyone got any advice, how I should change my routine to be able to see gains come this Christmas?

NOTE: Now, after being off for nearly 3 weeks, I’ve restarted with a light routine which consists of a 15 minute warm up, 5 minute basic stretching and 10 minute jelqing. I’m looking to increase up to 15 minute warm up, 10 minute stretching and 15 minute jelqing within 2 weeks time and then continue with that for the rest of the 3 months. Thoughts?

I’m not a vet or anything, but before you write yourself off as a no gainer, you might want to try low volume PEing for a while. You might be a less is more kind of guy, so if you keep adding exercises, and keep upping the sets and reps it might be detrimental to gains. I don’t know if you did any in the past, but I see that your current routine really has no length specific exercises. Try stretching more for a while, see if it works for you. I’m confident you’ll see gains eventually.

I’d say the first thing is to increase the frequency of measurements, measuring once a year is probabaly not a good idea, so it’s good that you’re planning to measure more frequently.

Second thing is consistency is good, it’s an absolutely necessity in order to gain, but “consistently” doing a routine that’s not working is also not a good idea.

Third, like Tissen said, your routine has almost no length-focused exercises at all. Your routine is very girth-focused and I don’t find it surprising that your gains have been also girth only. That’s good that you’ve added stretching.

If hanging is not an option, and an ADS or extender is out because you want manual exercises only, then like Tissen also said, you’ll need to add some stretching if you’re going for length. Since your EQ is so strong, you didn’t really need any break at all, just migrate to a routine where stretching is the main focus of the workout. Measure more frequently and keep adding stretching time as you are able. My only other advice is that, for me, after the 6 months of newbie routine gains, I really only had measurable gains at points where I either completely changed my routine, or added a new exercise that was significantly different from what I had been doing. So if you go 3-6 months and are not seeing anything gain-wise, don’t be afraid to completely change what you’re doing. It may not be universally true for everyone, but it seemed to be when I changed gears, the gains came again.

Also, don’t be afraid that you’re the guy that it “won’t work” for, you’ve already gained! In girth, because your routine was focused on girth. Also, trust that your EQ will grow stronger. Even if you dip a little as you start a new length focused routine, it will rebound.

Sounds about right. In week 3, start adding fulcrum stretches - A stretches with a smooth cylinder about the same girth of your EL; upward-side fulcrum stretches with a sligthly bigger cylinder (a glass bottle works fine, f.e.). Start with 4x30 seconds sets and add one set each week. Measure only your BPFSL, once per month.

Don’t pull like hell, just a good, progressive pull, stop when you feel your penis will not lengthen anymore adding force.

Thanks for the replies guys, I feel a lot better!!

When you say that my routine is mostly girth-based, you were talking about the old one right? Because the new one is 15 minute warm up, 5 minute stretch, 10 minute jelq and 5 minute warm down.

Another thing is, am I wrong for wanting to be working up to 15 minute warm up, 15 minute stretching, 20 minute jelqing and 5 minute warm down? Because you say that my routine should be stretching-based, do you mean that most of the time should be spent stretching (I.e 20 minute stretching, 15 minute jelqing)? The jelqs that I do are at a lower erection level, they’re more like elongated stretches, I pull out and then hold for a few seconds at the end of each stroke.

Oh and my jelqing is mainly side-to-side, does it make a difference which side I jelq to?

One last thing, if I do stick with 15 minute stretching and 20 minute jelqing, is it good to do all the 15 minute stretching together and THEN move on to 20 minute jelqing, or do you suggest maybe 5 minute jelq, 5 minute stretch, 5 minute jelq, 5 minute stretch, 5 minute jelq, 5 minute stretch, 5 minute jelq?

Thank you!

Your new routine sounds good in my opinion. You can increase after a while if you feel you need to, but do it the way you are right now and see how things feel. Constantly look for PIs, if you’re not getting any positive PIs, increase the volume of your sessions bit by bit.

@Marinera

Why is it that you should only measure BPFSL?

For three main reasons: 1) not all erection levels are the same, so measuring BPEL can give fals info; 2) BPFSL grow first, BPEL after, this is what generally happens; basing on BPEL can lead you to change a routine when BPFSL just increased, so the routine is working; 3) girth can hide length; not many seem to understand that, but this is actually simple to understand when considering that the penis is not a perfect cylinder shape (at least not for the vast majority of people); that’s why also many PE veterans report that their semiflaccid girth is bigger than their erect girth : there is a trade off between girth and lenght, due to the penis shape.

The problem I have with BPFSL is that I have to place the rule about an inch above the unit. Otherwise it hurts the ligs and I can’t stretch the unit as much (~1cm difference).

I found it more difficult to measure accurately.

Here’s some basic thoughts for you: firegoat - Length Gains

I like marinera’s idea of adding some fulcrum stretches as well.

Great post firegoat! I have a new idea, so let me know how you think this sounds: I keep my current routine (5 minute stretching, 10 minute jelqing) for a week. The next week, I increase the stretching time up to 10 minutes and keep jelqing at 10 minutes. I will do 5 minutes of “compass stretching”, 50 jelqs, 5 minutes of only downward stretching and then 50 more jelqs. The week after that, I increase stretching to 15 minutes and still keep jelqing at 10 minutes. I’d do 10 minutes of “compass stretching”, 50 jelqs, 5 minutes of only downward stretching and then 50 more jelqs. The week after that, 20 minute stretching and 10 minute jelqing. So that means 15 minute compass stretches, 50 jelqs, 5 minute downward stretches and 50 more jelqs. After that week, increase stretch and/or jelq time if necessary, but otherwise, keep it the same. Good idea?

And just 2 other things:

A) Do we wet or dry jelq?
B) Is it okay if, for stretching, I grip at the base of the penis?

Thank you!

As I said in my post, you know when you have done ‘enough’ stetching based on feel, rather than time.

Dry or wet jeling is OK.

Grip behind a little behind the head, with the gland (head) in the palm of your hand. Use tissue paper for grip.