Some questions, and, hello
Hello there. I’m choosing to come here now instead of the PE gym forums. I have some general questions of PE as I’m pretty skeptical, and the responses I would get on PE gym were from guys who had no proof etc of their enormous claims (one guy claimed 3 inches. The method? “Whatever it took”). I just felt like it was a place trying to sell people on buying the products they advertise rather than a place with trustworthy people imparting knowledge. We all wanna get a more healthy/bigger dick, you’d think this would be the one area where guys wouldn’t lie to each and would wanna help out, without trying to sell you fake products or shady “advice”.
1 - Can my penis actually gain NON EQ size when erect.
So, when I was 17-20 years old I would sometimes measure my penis. I certainly wasn’t a porn star but I was proud nonetheless. I regularly measured 7 inches BPEL and NBPEL. I was very skinny and in shape, and with youth, I really didn’t have much if any fat pad. I think the max I ever measured, keep in mind this is with a raging hard on, what I would consider now probably a 10/10 EQ, maybe 7.1/7.2 inches, the max I ever measured. I only ever measured girth once, as I didn’t have a tape measure, but when I did I measured 6.2 inches. I recently measured again, not with a tape measure but with paper, just a thin stretch of paper, I wrapped it around the thickest part of my penis, and marked it properly, was not trying to be generous. And I really wasn’t as hard as can be, I have really weak erections nowadays. But I still managed 6 inches in girth. Give or take some maybe due to possible error.
My issue is, I can understand EQ gains. If your penis isn’t getting enough blood, or can accommodate more, than yeah, your penis could grow. And maybe if someone had a very severe blood flow issue, and somehow PE solved that, they could “grow” 2 inches or something. But, I’ve already seen probably how hard my penis has ever been, and yeah my penis is thick, but its never gonna be 9 or 10 inches in length, or 8 inches around. The only way I could see my penis getting harder is perhaps a high dose of viagra/cialis, or whatever that thing is that you inject via needle into your dick to force an erection. But everyone has a limit, there’s only so much blood that can go into it before your veins burst. So where does actual size gain beyond EQ come from? It just doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. Is there anyone in good conscience that can rule out just pure EQ gains and say their dick tissue as a whole actually grew?
2 - Temporary gains vs Permanent Gains.
I’ve seen so darn many threads about “cementing your gains” and honestly it all just seems like a crock. A penis pump is obviously completely temporary, your body is never going to force that amount of blood into your penis by itself naturally, so using a penis pump for X amount of minutes is a fake gain, like standing on platform shoes so that your 6 foot tall instead of of 5’10. That’s BS and I’ve never seen any data from people using for example that bathmate have any real results. I think I read a post from a user on PE gym who used only the bath mate for 6 months and there was zero results with the only difference being EQ.
So, what constitutes a REAL gain? I do NOT count EQ gains as real gains. We are talking your penis tissue actually stretching/growing beyond what it already is at its maximum, not your previous lack of enough blood. I’m pretty sure its already been established that the tunica can be neither grown, nor stretched. I think it can be bent/molded, but not grown. Some people who have a curve, I have a curve to the left for example, if I jelqed a certain way for a long enough time, I could straighten it out again. That makes sense and I believe it because my penis used to be straight, the way I masturbated in my youth and over the years, gradually changed the curvature. I just don’t see what can actually grow without surgery.
You can stretch foreskin, and I’m sure that can be permanent. I’ve heard that the flaccid state can increase as well due to stretching of the “limp skin”. But when your penis is hard and full of blood what can actually be “grown” permanently. Like, if your penis is on the ragged edge of exploding because you’ve got so much blood in it, where does it grow from there? If my “max EQ” size is say, 7.2 inches in length, NBPEL, can anyone honestly say, that I can stretch or grow the tissue enough that I could gain 1-2 inches, on the same EQ, NPBEL. Meaning, without jamming a ruler into your pelvis as far as it will go, you’ve actually gained 1-2 inches in size. Seems pretty impossible. Even if the skin somehow did stretch, I’ve read numerous times that people who quit PE for a few years did lose all their gains. Who knows that’s EQ getting worse or their dick skin/general organ returning back to its natural state, I don’t know.
3 - No REAL science backing any of this up.
You would think that the guy who came out with a REAL way of actual penis enlargement, where you don’t need to worry about injuring yourself, or cutting it open and getting scars, or possibly worse complications from surgery such as it never working again.. Well, that person would be very wealthy indeed. If you take some aspirin for a headache, you will notice that your headache starts to lessen. The same can’t be said of PE. Ruling out EQ, there’s no science proving actual penis growth. In fact, most regular doctors, not the ones you find frequenting those shady websites (like that mycoach thing) will tell you its complete and utter crap. But if you tell that to one of these people, they will say “the proof is in my pants that’s all I need to know”. Well, great, god does exist, his name is Vince and he’s currently late paying his rent in our galaxy, I know, for sure, he came to me in my dream, I’ve seen it, trust me, the proof is in my head! Therefore, you should believe me, otherwise your just being negative!
I have a skin condition on a part of my leg called psoriasis. Its a chronic condition that I’ve had since I was a little kid. Its never gone away I’ve always had to deal with it. However, if you look up psoriasis, you’ll see SO many garbage posts about “home remedies” and “cure it from home with X”. Even doctors who obviously know its something people are insecure about and want to cure, selling you their program to “cure” it on their website, using stuff like “leaky gut syndrome”. Look that term up, its not even an acknowledged medical term at all, its just pure trash to try and bait you in so that you’ll buy their stuff. Its for desperate people who are so insecure they are willing to try anything.
That’s what these websites remind me of. Preying on people who are insecure about their size, some have reason to be, others don’t. Just yesterday I jammed a ruler into my pelvis as close to my penis as possible, and measured 18cm/7 inches, with a weak erection, nothing like the raging boners I had when I was 17-20. I’m 27 now btw. I haven’t had one of those in years. The kind you can cut diamonds with, the kind where it doesn’t matter your dick is kinda heavy and fully of blood, its sticking straight up anyways and you could hang a towel from it. I’m still insecure about my size and don’t feel good enough, so go figure. The point is, how much of this is based on facts and evidence and how much is pure BS fed to insecure guys.
4 - Hypothetical, keep an open mind.
This might offend some people, but honestly think about it ok, this is especially for the people who have claimed to gain an inch + from what they originally started at. Lets say I, hypothetically of course, I hired one of the smartest people with the biggest wealth of information, who also claimed to have gained a great deal from PE exercises/products. I pay that person 1 million bucks, and over the next 2 years, he is my coach, every single day, and I follow every exercise he says and use everything he wants me to, to the letter. Lets assume no complications or injuries etc. During this time my first measurement will be taken after using a dick injection, forcing the max amount of blood into my penis, therefore eliminating all EQ gains. A second measurement will be taken, with say cialis or viagra, just as reference. During this time we will also assume my weight doesn’t change, and my fat pad remains the same. The caveat is, if I don’t gain at least 1-2 inches on my NBPEL, after doing the injection to allow the maximum amount of blood possible, you lose the money and you die.
Is anyone THAT confident in PE? Like, it works so good you’d be willing to risk your life over saying actual penis growth is possible through these exercises. I think not. Not even for a great deal of money.
5 - My issues and goals.
All this being said, I’m still interested in getting harder and stronger erections than the ones I have now. I know for certain I have porn and probably masturbation addiction. Most of the time in order to get some kind of erection, I either need to be extremely mentally stimulated, or need to look at more and more extreme pornography. Most of my erections now are 5-6 inches long. Its weird because sometimes even the ones that feel fairly hard, I can tell I’m only maybe 5 inches, max 6. Also, for the last maybe year or 2, I’ve been able to orgasm without having a full erection. Like, sometimes I’ll basically be half flaccid, not even have half a chub, and then at the moment before and during orgasm, blood will flow into my dick, but not much, basically what you’d call a semi, then goes away right away after I’ve finished orgasm. I’d still consider myself as being “soft” during the entire ordeal. The only way around that is if I am turned on mentally a huge amount, or looking at porn that I’m not really proud of.
I’m in the process of losing weight and getting back in shape, I’d like to be back to or close to 7 inches NBPEL. It would be even nicer if I could get actual gains. If I had a REAL goal for PE, it would 21cm/8.2 inches in length, BPEL. Then I could at least see SOMETHING worked, because like I said before, even at my hardest I never measured over 7.2 inches. I’m a nice guy, despite that rather dark hypothetical situation, and yeah I’m skeptical but that’s because I’m smart. I don’t blindly accept that something works just because so and so said it does. I also have an open mind and would LOVE to have my mind changed on the subject, either through extensive scientific proof, or my own.
At the moment, I can’t maintain erections at all, so I don’t even know if I can begin PE exercises. Jelqing requires you to be X % hard, and I’ve tried, I go completely 100% flaccid, which is about 3 inches of wet noodle. I’m usually so focused on trying to do the exercises properly, I can’t focus on something to keep me hard, and my penis is very desensitized, so the jelqing itself isn’t pleasurable, and I honestly haven’t been able to get hard just from touching myself without some sort of mental or visual stimulation for like 10 years. I don’t always need porn to masturbate to, in fact, not at all. I can think of complex scenarios in my head and masturbate to those, I think of the visuals. But isn’t that the exact same thing as porn?
Anyways hope to hear from you guys! Thanks for reading if you got this far :)