What is the biggest gain anyone on here has seen

The reason you have hard gainers does go to genetic influences and the blood carrying tissue present. Venous valves dictate the intake of blood and the ultimate flow dynamic to and away from the erection. The reaction of this circulatory system to PE activities determines your success in improving your volumetric capacity.

So in your opinion, for most of us “hard gainers”, the venous valves is not pumping more blood into the penis to force additional gain?

It is definitely very frustrating. There are members who claim to gain 1”+ from even minimal stretching (less than 30 min a day, and 4 days or less a week).

Can venous valves’ function be improved by physical force or supplements? something..

Veins don’t pump blood in. You should recheck the anatomy.

This reminds me of in my old days how my friends and I would play basketball all summer. Some of us could improve jumping in a matter of months training, and yet some barely improved much. Our body has a way to determine maximum growth potential. Darn hormones!

That most likely plays some part, but the biggest limiting factor for many is their tunica. Genetic variance exists as to the number of tunica layers one has in their penis. Some have one layer (easy gainers yet not rock hard erections?), some have the “standard” and from memory most common 2 layers (reasonable gainers with reasonably hard erections?) and some have 3 layers (hard gainers with the potential for “erections of steel”:eek2: ).

I don’t think that one group necessarily has more gaining potential than another. However I would think for those that may have three tunica layers, more intense exercises focusing on the tunica would yield the greatest results. The danger with this, is that your arteries and veins will have to survive this great intensity (high pressures) without damaging as well, and so the intensity must be increased very gradually over many months to allow those more delicate features of your unit to strengthen.

As for increasing the blood carrying capacity of the penis veins and arteries- one of the greats of PE (BIB maybe?) once mentioned that horse 440’s may be used to increase the blood vessels capacity to carry blood. Be careful, though, Horse 440 are for experienced PE’ers only.

Anyway to tell what one has?

Im all for starting a hardgainer thread gator. end of november will be one year for me and at most ive gained a quarter inch in length and a sixteenth of an inch in girth.

I wonder for those who have “above-average” hardness THICKER penis will have a harder time to gain? A few members like Big Girtha and Ironaddict can achieve more girth gains than length.

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Only in his mind and the minds of his customers who want to believe.

Only in the minds of those who don’t know any better.

To hear him tell it, he discovered it and translated it from Arabic. Pretty neat trick for someone who can barely read and write in his own language and does not actually speak a second language. Not to mention the fact that ‘jelq’ is not a word in Arabic or any language except English on PE sites.

He pretty much lives off his dad in a small town in Western Mass and tries to rope people into his fantasy land via his website.

He is, as long as I’ve known him (which is going on 25 years now), a compulsive liar. He will happily take your money, though, teaching you variations of stuff he learned on this site.

Don’t believe the hype.

I know there was a study on this done and I distinctly remember copying and pasting the information (including the references) and putting it somewhere. But God help me find it…I’ll see if I can dig it up.

Would a MRI show this? Maybe…It would be awfully “weird” asking your doctor to MRI your penis so you can tell how many layers of tunica you have.

Well said, UFGator.

I expect you’d have to have a very close personal relationship with the doctor and MRI technician for that to happen.

It would be interesting to do a study on tunica, so we can finally have an answer for the “hard gainers”!!!

There is a way to tell how many layers you have-a biopsy. Not sure if that is practical at all for obvious reasons. I think that the number of tunica layers you have and also your bodies inflammatory response determines how well you gain. Whan you stress your tunica, the natural response is not to stretch but to repair itself to resist the stretch better the next time it’s stretched. People with Peyronie’s disease have a very exagerrated inflammatory response where the tunica builds up collagen plaques and thickens considerably. So in PE you want to stretch and heal longer but not heal so well that your penis’ tunica becomes stronger. There are some recommended supplements for Peyronie’s(which I don’t have)that supposedly block the exaggerated response to lay down collagen to overthicken the tunica. I think hardgainers may just develop stronger rather than longer tunicas. Vitamin E and L-carnitine are 2 in particular. I’m going to try them as I’m hoping it may help with plateaus. I’ve gained ok with PE. About .75 inch length and .4 inches girth in almost 1 1/2 years now. However, gains have slowed recently so rather than taking a deconditioning break I’m going to try the supplements. Once I get them I may start a progress thread to see if it helps and report any gains.

Also, I think Braindrain and Bennett have threads with pics of 2 inch plus gains.

^Cool e211, keep us updated.

And yeah, I don’t think it really matters whether we know how many layers we have. It would be safe to say, that with an EQ of 10 (lets say chemically induced for arguments sake), those with 3 layers will have the hardest units, and those wit 1 layer will have the least had.

It works in the same way that a balloon will have less hardness than a football, because the thinner “casing” limits internal pressure. However, it also means that the balloon will require lower internal pressures for expansion than the football ball will. Don’t be put off by the fact that the balloon has more expansion potential than the football. The two are different materials which obviously isn’t the case with different peoples tunica!

A layered tunica should technically have as much gain potential as a one layered one. However practically speaking, since most exercises deal with lower internal pressures (especially with the newbie routine), those with 3 layers may not see huge amounts of complete expansion until they eventually progress (emphasis on eventually) to more intense exercises (clamping, Horse 440’s, Ulis).

Do you have any papers suggesting more than 2 layers in some guys and 1 layer in others? Here’s the stuff that’s posted in Thunder’s science links:

"The tunica albuginea of the corpora cavernosa is a bilayered structure. The inner circular layer completely contains and, along with the intracavernosal pillars, supports the sinusoids. There is a paucity of outer-layer bundles in the region between the 5-o’clock and 7-o’clock positions where there is close contact with the corpus spongiosum. Distally, they are grouped into the glans penis, which forms the distal ligament, a continuation of the outer longitudinal layer of the tunica, and is located at the 12- o’clock position of the distal urethra."

Also,

"The young cadavers (Figure 1) show, unequivocally, a remarkable muscle bulk, whereas elderly subjects sustaining chronic diseases tend to demonstrate
a lighter skeletal muscle bulk and slimmer distal ligament (Figure 2C) as well as a thinner tunica albuginea."

If a thinner tunica was the major reason for growth, wouldn’t older guys gain easier?

http://www.andr ologyjournal.or … eprint/25/3/426