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The ultrasound head is 2.5 watts/cm2

Ultrasound output is 15 Acoustic

Ok. Thanks. I will check out these posts.

The ultrasound head is 2.5 watts/cm2

Ultrasound output is 15 Acoustic

Originally Posted by yes i can
Ok. Thanks. I will check out these posts.
The ultrasound head is 2.5 watts/cm2
Ultrasound output is 15 Acoustic

2.5 w/cm^2 is a powerful tool. Such powerful that it might be too much for even experienced user.
Tune it down to 1.5-1.6 w / cm^2 in continuous mode and start to experiment with moving the transducer slowly but keeping it on the move.
Do not stay in one point for more than few seconds at time.
I have said before that one need minimum of 1.6 w/cm^2 1mHz and seems 1.5 w/cm^2 can work as well. With some experience 2.0 w/cm^2 is manageable.
Lower figures mentioned might not be enough to heat the penis warm enough to make any or noticeable difference.

Divide the shaft in 3 to 4 portions and heat them for 4-5 min each. The lower the power output then longer it takes to heat the tissues to desired temperatures.
With some form of a heatpad one can maintain the temperature when moving along the shaft.

I strongly recommend to use ultrasound with these sort of power outputs on stretched penis while working out only. Not in flaccid hung state at all.
I also think that tool this powerful is not for warm up, it is a tool for reshaping the inside structures of one´s penis. And should be treated as one.

If one ponders the idea of using ultrasound in healing only purposes, the power outputs used in these kind of applications should be well below 1.0 w/cm^2 and used in the pulsed mode. Not aiming to heat the tissues.
When already used intensively for heating purposes several times a week I think one should just leave it there.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

Lower figures mentioned might not be enough to heat the penis warm enough to make any or noticeable difference.

Correction:

Should read lower THAN…….


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Period 3

41 days off from manual stretching, 23 days off from vac stretching and being 10 days in complete rest , followed by 7 / 12 days with light jelqs.

Now it is time to work again towards my goals. Started Period 3 today after taking starting measurements.

While deconditioning I have lost couple of millimeters both BPFSL and MSEG and gained marginally on BPEL.

BPEL 21.2 cm +0.1 cm
BPFSL 22.6 cm -0.2 cm
MSEG 14.8 cm - 0.2 cm

I will run similar routines like Period 2 as close as possible being loyal for main principles of the concept.
Major difficulties may appear in maintaining 3 on 2 off cycling, but I will try my best.

Not sure yet how to keep this log as there is not that much interactivity, though I can see there are many keeping an eye on the happenings.
Personally I find this being a good add to my excel spreadsheets containing all info necessary, but without this meticulous commentary.
Kind of liked logging the weekly or cycle basis documentation used in Period 2. Maybe I´ll stick with it.

I will complete my first year during this period and I am optimistic on reaching my goals at least lenghtwise, hopeful for even better results. Lets find out.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

You are very inspirational, considering you have gained so much in a short amount of time, have you had any injuries/bruises or discoloration? Or nothing?

Originally Posted by SS_Hungville
You are very inspirational, considering you have gained so much in a short amount of time, have you had any injuries/bruises or discoloration? Or nothing?

Thank you Hungville. Glad to hear you feel that way. I have found many inspiring stories here myself.

Well, I had a large blister on my glans couple of months ago which was a setback.
I use penimaster vac attachment without the inner sluice cap with a high vacuum, so there is a risk always.
That time I stretched under hot shower and that was a mistake as the plastic got heated it helped for getting this blister.
With removing the vac attachment every 45-20 minutes and refreshing the glans with jelqs I can prevent them coming.

I think I have managed to stay away from other injuries as I skip the workouts or sets if I feel so.
If I feel that my unit responds badly to stretching or is too sore already I just leave it be. I take here and there extra rest days by the feel.
I use only moderate loads excluding manual stretching where I pull 30 seconds as hard as my grip allows.

No permanent discoloration what so ever. I use ultrasound with clamps and it is easy to see very dark color occurring way sooner than normally does.
It can be due the fact that heated tissue uses oxygen on accelerated rate and heated hemoglobin release oxygen easier too. This is why it gets dark so much sooner. But it works bidirectionally.

When the clamp is removed and with jelqs penis gets its normal tone way better than it normally does. Keeping clamping set at maximum of 10 minutes and jelqing few minutes after releasing the clamp, my unit shows really healthy looking reddish color all the way. Jelqing oxygenated blood in to this warmed tissue seems to be really refreshing.

I get tiny bruises sometimes but nothing serious. Edema and other fluid retention symptoms with pumping but they go away in hours.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Thanks for your reply. Glad I asked you, because I was using US device at 2,5-2,6mhz and it wasn’t at the full power. When I maxed it out it showed 3.0mhz on display.

So, with the 2,6mhz I got my unit really warm in 5min.

I held my unit on my hand and felt the pinching through the penis and in my fingers. One thing that I allso noticed that I felt a small pain in my left nut. Before I read your comment on my question I had a new question: will it be dangerous to my nuts and semen, because heat kills semen? And the other question was about the material that I could use to protect my nuts with. Ill search about that allso myself. BTW: 2 weeks gains were: 4mm in BPEL and 5mm in meg. I know that its only Swelled newbie gains, but it gives hope.

Originally Posted by yes i can
Thanks for your reply. Glad I asked you, because I was using US device at 2,5-2,6mhz and it wasn’t at the full power. When I maxed it out it showed 3.0mhz on display.
So, with the 2,6mhz I got my unit really warm in 5min.
I held my unit on my hand and felt the pinching through the penis and in my fingers. One thing that I allso noticed that I felt a small pain in my left nut. Before I read your comment on my question I had a new question: will it be dangerous to my nuts and semen, because heat kills semen? And the other question was about the material that I could use to protect my nuts with. Ill search about that allso myself. BTW: 2 weeks gains were: 4mm in BPEL and 5mm in meg. I know that its only Swelled newbie gains, but it gives hope.

Are you sure you have read all the posts and links provided earlier, because:

You CAN NOT use ultrasound on your testicles, it can be destructive. Either you shouldn´t point the transducer towards the prostate. Only on your shaft and really carefully on the roots of the penis avoiding pointing for prostate. It would be best to use only 3 MHz when operating down there.
This is powerful stuff, keep it in mind always.

At 1Mhz ultrasound penetrates through your shaft and beyond, and with a 2.5- 3 MHz not so deep.

Is the MHz display all you see or are you aware of the power output? There should be option to adjust power output separately from MHz.

This w/cm^2 value you need to be sure. Extremely sure.
Keep it below 2.0 w/cm^2 at least or at 1.5 w/cm^2.
Surely it will be very hot in minutes if you operate with 2.5W/cm^2.
If you can not check the urethral temperature somehow, then avoid the full power mode with your US equipment.

Do not cook your nuts. Neither the shaft.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 05-28-2019 at .

Whats the spec of the springs that you used to modify the PM? I.e. 60X12X1,5? Did you measure the pulling force somehow?


April 2017 ~14.5 cm BPEL ~10.5 cm MSEG

November 2021 ~20 cm BPEL ~12.5 cm MSEG

Originally Posted by Didgeridoo
Whats the spec of the springs that you used to modify the PM? I.e. 60X12X1,5? Did you measure the pulling force somehow?

Springs are exactly the same you mentioned. Good engineering.

I used a digital scale to determine spring constant by pushing against. These were progressive so they brought me some adjustable load depending of the squish.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Hey Krypa,

Fantastic read! I have a couple of questions.

So now that you’ve had some time to experiment and observe. Do you believe that TGC theory has some merit? I understand the mechanics of it may not make perfect sense but it seems like there may be something to it. Have you noticed the trends in your growth aligning with the basic principles of TGC?

Second question. I understand you’re an advocate for never applying ultrasound while not in a stretched state due to collagen rearranging. Have you found any evidence or suggestions for a “cool down” period? I ask because I would like to start using US but I normally don’t have time for the use of an ADS.
So if I was to apply US under tension. How long must the stress be applied after removing the US in order to avoid being counter productive?

Great thread! And thanks for your time invested to the cause.

Thanks Slythis, great to hear you can find my efforts valuable.

Theories. What can I say. Any theories presented here do not hold under clinical observation at all. Any of them have ever been proven in histological studies with human penises. If you put a penny for every sentence starting with the words “I have a theory” it would give you one month salary at least. I would prefer to find applications, use them as they are or develop them further and gather them under a concept and make it happen. Dicks grow despite the theories.

In fact I can say that for a start I picked the IPR -concept to be followed, but today I am only very loosely connected in the form it has been originally introduced for PE. To the extend that I find the topic of my progress log now bit annoying as it does not represent the content that much anymore.

What comes in this TGC-theory, I would pinpoint only the main principle in this concept of mine, stretching the tunica first and by the proven measurements then use exercises which are believed to induce growth or /and expansion in penile mass. This is what I picked from TGC and forgot everything else said.

It have proven to be productive at least in my case, there is no evidence though if it is from smooth muscle growth or is the smooth muscle mass just relaxing now in more lengthen state. Neither we don´t know if the penile growth is due only enlargened sinusoidal expansion allowed now with the expanded tunica giving more room. We don´t simply know how the penis grows.
What I can say for sure is the tunica has expanded first and everything else is following behind.

I don´t use ADS for the known “healing in the lengthened state” purposes. ADS setup which I am referring in my log is more an active stretching tool with much more efficient loads. So what I would say that there is no need for healing in extended state maneuvers at all.
In my case there is usually 20 minutes manual stretching followed after US has been excluded. I really can´t say any better on this.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Agreed. The TGC theory seems to be disproved when it comes to the anatomy of the penis, that being said it seems to hold some sort of truth in basic principles from what I’ve seen in a few progress reports.

The reason I bring this up is because I’ve gained .5 of an inch in my BPEL, but I seem to have stalled out there for the time being and those gains came in about 3 months. Despite changing my routine and adding time to stretching I can not seem to gain past this plateau going into month 5 now. Length has been my primary focus as I was gifted with well above average girth naturally. The differential in my BPEL and BPFSL has reached the prescribed 0.5 in the TGC theory. Therefor I have switched my routine to be more girth focused even though those are not the gains I’m after.

Time will tell I suppose.

Originally Posted by Slythis
Agreed. The TGC theory seems to be disproved when it comes to the anatomy of the penis, that being said it seems to hold some sort of truth in basic principles from what I’ve seen in a few progress reports.

The reason I bring this up is because I’ve gained .5 of an inch in my BPEL, but I seem to have stalled out there for the time being and those gains came in about 3 months. Despite changing my routine and adding time to stretching I can not seem to gain past this plateau going into month 5 now. Length has been my primary focus as I was gifted with well above average girth naturally. The differential in my BPEL and BPFSL has reached the prescribed 0.5 in the TGC theory. Therefor I have switched my routine to be more girth focused even though those are not the gains I’m after.

Time will tell I suppose.

Just consider that 0.5 being minimum. My approach uses BPFSL as a indicator. I switch from the intensive manual stretching the moment BPFSL gains start to diminish. The BPEL follows BPFSL gains with a 1.5-1.8 cm difference and continue to gain closing the gap after switching to girth orientated work.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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