Can Cialis/Viagra be used for diagnosis?

Hey guys,

Quick question.

I`m 25 years old and my erections are not as they used to be. I would say that at most I can get a 95% erection. I also experienced not getting a 100% erection the last time I had sex, even though the girl was smoking. I did drink alcohol though.

I don`t know if my lack of erections and reduced quality is due to my penis itself or if it is a hormonal problem or even psychological.

Would the use of Cialis/Viagra help me understand this better?

In other words, if I`m able to get a 100-110% erection with drugs, would that indicate at least that there is nothing wrong with the penis itself?

Thanks in advance,

Renholder

Have you been over doing it with PE? Are you healthy? Can you get it up 100% on your own? Do you get hard night wood?

I have done hanging, pumping, clamping, etc, in the past, but the last 4-5 months I`ve been pretty much completely off PE.

Got started again 4-5 weeks ago with a moderate routine; 10-15 minutes of jelqing, 20 minutes moderate intensity stretching, 5 days a week.

If anything, I think EQ has improved since I got back in the game.

I am healthy I hope and I do eat very healthy, but I have lab results showing that my testosterone levels are at the low end of the normal range. I also have high and rising ferritin levels that have not been treated yet (doctors seem to not care). I have a thread about this in another section on the forum.

I can get it up 95% on my own. It does not seem like 100% at least, but it might be my perception.

I rarely get night wood. That is, when I wake up in the middle of the night at least, it is nearly always flaccid. Close to never having morning erections.

If your doctor doesn’t want to address your testosterone levels than I would find one that will and I would have him run more blood work. I don’t know anything about ferritin levels so I would be just talking out my ass if I tried to help. You can also try the natural approach with weight training and supplements to bring your T levels up, I have always been a believer that edging will raise T levels also but that’s just my thought and not a proven fact.

I`ve been to two different doctors here in Norway, one being my family doctor through public health care and the other in the private sector.

While waiting for an appointment, I also have talked to two doctors online:-)

Everyone says that my values are completely normal and that there is nothing to do with it. While I understand where they are coming from, I know that being at the low end of the range is not normal for a healthy man at age 25, knowing that the reference range is applied to men up to age 70 or so.

The USA have a completely different view on these issues.

I am trying to figure out the elevated ferritin (indicator of iron storage) levels (which potentially can be reducing my testosterone levels), but I`m doing it with help from a doctor online, since the doctors here in Norway don`t seem to have a clue or even care even though it is far beyond the normal scale.

I`m already doing weights 3 times a week.

I agree regarding edging, but I find it difficult since I almost have to force myself to do it.

Can you recommend any supplements? I`m already taking ZMA.

This has been working well for me, read the last page I copied the original formula. You have to take it before bed on an empty stomach.

Fountain of Youth

Thanks Dino,

That looks great. Hope I can get the ingredients here in Norway.

I did not read the whole thread, but I`m curious on your opinion.

Do you think this increases testosterone levels as well as libido?

Even though the two are related, it is my understanding that raised libido does not necessarily mean raised testosterone levels.

Regarding Viagra/Cialis, I`m still curious to test it once to see the effect.

Yes to all things having higher T levels will help you with libido. And you should be able to get the ingredients because they are just two Amino acids, I know you guys have some strange vitamin laws over there but any big vitamin store should have them. Acetyl-L-Carnitine 500mg and L-Ornithine 500mg. It needs to be those two and only those two. You could always order them online I imagine.

The Viagra should help you until you bounce your T levels up for sure:) .

Dino,

Thanks very much. You give me hope:)

Any idea if I should consider adding Tongkat Ali as well?

I just found acetyl on a england shop that ships to Norway. Nothing on L-ornithine yet, but I will keep searching.

EDIT: I found both! Will place an order today.

Will also see if I can get a hold of some Viagra;)

Kind regards,

Renholder

I never tried Tongkat Aki but heard it was good as long as it’s high quality, make sure you cycle off once in a while also. when you do the formula make sure you use the right amount of L-ornithine if you use to much it will keep you up and give you strange dreams when you do fall asleep. I just put two small pinches in some water, one pill lasts about 11 days. If you decide it works great for you than you could invest in a drug dealing scale on ebay, I never really thought I needed one.

I’m glad I have given you hope, but even if this fails don’t give up and it might be time to see if you can find a doctor in Norway that deals with these issues.

I have a thread running on where to get drugs if you want to check it out it’s long so go by the last few pages.

Closing down all the generic drug web sites/and finding open sites for generic drugs

Update!

I did not get to order the supplements recommended by Dino, since I was broke at the time and since forgot about it due to personal stuff.

The last months I`ve been working like crazy and as usually happens, my erections have been way less frequent and harder. However, they were not top notch before the latest work period started either.

I was with my doctor yesterday and got her to write me a receipt on Cialis. She seemed uneducated on the issue and did not knew any difference between Cialis and Viagra, so I basically chose Cialis due to the longer lasting effect.

I popped a 10 mg pill yesterday and was very excited, but to my disappointment, I did not notice much improvement.

Is this normal? Do I perhaps need to take several doses before noticing anything? Will I notice more next time around? The manual said that the dosage could be doubled if 10 mg did not have the desired effect.

It could be that I did not get aroused enough (lack of both physical and mental stimulation) since I was “on my own” and not with a girl. I also just recently took holidays, so I`m still not quite recovered.

My issue with high iron levels are still not solved, but finally I have been sent to a specialist which I am seeing in late January. The ferritin is higher than ever (470 now) and if it actually is iron overload, loss of potency is one of the symptoms. I have however heard that the damage is irreversible. I hope that is not the case since it is not severe in my case.

I`m able to get a 90% erection, but I do think that I lack the last 10%. Perhaps my perception is off? It definitely is hard enough for intercourse, but I definitely feel that it could be better.

Perhaps I`m confused since my penis no longer points upward, but is more loose at the base (a consequence of PE I guess).

One thing that should be noted though, is that my penis usually feels warm and circulated.

Currently, I`m doing a very light pumping routine (10 minutes jelqing, 10-15 minutes pumping) to keep the system going, since I also seem to lack morning erections (consistently at least, they may happen seldomly).

I`m not stressed out about this, but I feel that I need to figure out this stuff since I`m still quite young (25) and should be in my best age.

Could venous leakage be ruled out since I usually reach 90% or is it just a matter of varying degrees of leaks?

Thankful for any perspectives,

Regards and happy holidays,

Renholder

Lets see what this specialist says in January my friend. The Cialis won’t do shit if your not excited about something so pop on some porn and see how it goes. also I don’t think pumping will do shit for you, you should at least do some light jelqing for health and to start some vein development in your penis.

Happy holidays bro

Thanks for the support, Dino.

My EQ has improved since the start of the holiday. I think my work situation further depressed my EQ, but it is not the sole source I think.

Actually, the jelqing/pumping seems to work great. I rarely WAKE up with morning wood and when I wake up in the night, my dick is usually soft, BUT with some slight stimulation I always seem to get some sort of wood upon awakening these last days.

I will try some Cialis later in the vacation to see if I can get a 100% erection.

Happy holidays to you as well!

Renholder

What`s up guys?

Prepare yourself for some graphic details:-)

I just came home from new years eve after spending the whole night with an absolutely gorgeous girl. When I knew I was following her to an afterparty, I popped a cialis before leaving so that I was prepared.

We did not go all the way because she wanted to wait, but we made out pretty much for 4 hours straight. At certain points, I must have been pretty hard, but I don`t think I ever was 100% hard.

However, my cock is hurting now. It is hurting like it used to do in puberty when I really got rock hard for a while. I did however not get 100% hard. Probably 80-90%.

Is that weird or what?

I suppose there got to be a connection with the cialis.

Renholder

I stopped taking Cialis due to muscle aches mostly in back and legs but I never got a penis ache, it almost sounds like your penis is just weak and not used to being hard for any length of time, but I’m no doctor bro.