Sean's Tonkat Ali/Yohime experiement

I have always enjoyed trying sex enhancing (or libido enhancing) supplements. I have tried several in the past and had some success. When I read about Tongkat Ali I decided to try it & to track my results. I will do the same with other supplements in the future.

Tongkat Ali Experiment

After reading some information about the libido enhancing effects of Tongkat Ali I decided to try experimenting with it.

Ordered 100 400mg 50:1 Tongkat Ali extract capsules online on 2/16/07. Received my order on Tuesday 2/20/07.

2/20 - 2/24/07: Taking 800mg per day (2 capsules) 1 in the morning & 1 in the evening.
- I would have slightly sore testes after about 3 hours of taking a dose, it would last a few hours and pass.
- I would get slight muscle twitches at the very base of the penis (near prostrate).
- May be a slight increase in horniness, but this could be a placebo effect.
- Noticing some acid reflux after taking a dose.
- No increase in sexual pleasure, stronger orgasm or increased volume of ejaculatory fluid (from masturbation on 3rd & 5th day).
2/25 – 2/26: Increased dosage to 1200mg per day (3 capsules) morning, afternoon, evening.
- No noticeable difference in any way.
- No more “twitching”
- No soreness.
2/27 - Increased dosage to 1600mg per day (4 capsules) Morning, lunch, dinner, before bed.
- No noticeable difference.
2/28 – 3/1
- Starting to feel the difference. At aprox 1pm became very horny and anxious, until about 3pm
- Noticing the slight ache in testes.
- Masturbation on 3/1 early AM. No increase in sexual pleasure, No stronger orgasm, No increase in volume of ejaculatory fluid.
- 3/1 (day 9) early afternoon (after second dose), feeling noticeable anxious, energetic and horny. Feeling “tingly” in the groin area, and have butterfly in stomach feeling.
3/2 –
- Again, very horny around 1pm – 3pm. At 10pm was so horny I had to get up and “relieve” myself so I could sleep.
- Definitely feeling more anxious, horny & “animalistic”.
3/3 – 3/4
- Horniness & soreness has passed.
- Amplified my negative mood – was a stressful weekend & instead of feeling horny I felt extremely agitated, easily annoyed & aggressive.
3/5 – 3/8
- Still no additional horniness or soreness.
- No more amplified negative mood

My initial plan was to take Tongkat Ali for 20 days, but after 16 days I realized that the effects I had for aprox 3 days (Mar-2 to Mar-4) had passed. At this point I discontinued the supplement. I could have continued to increase the dosage, but decided against it. This may not have been the optimal time to try this supplement because my wife came down with pneumonia the same week I started taking it, and is still recovering…..i.e. no sex.

Results/Oppinions:
My personal results were not as spectacular as some of the results I read about. I did have a short span where there was some enhanced libido and one particular day when I was EXTREEMLY horny. However it was short lived at the dose I was taking. I did notice some very bad mood swings during the time I was horny. I was easily angered and aggressive.

I still have aprox ½ the bottle of capsules left. I will try a different approach in about 2 weeks. My plan is to start with 1600mg and only take it for 5 days. I will post my results.

Thanks for that information Sean. I ordered the 35gram bag of powder just today (newlifealternatives.com). Will do as you did, keep a mini journal maybe.

The mood swing, maybe a raise in T ?

Don’t think I’ll be taking large amounts. Maybe 1 - 1 1/2 gram/s a day?

Yohimbe Experiment (This is nothing new for me. I use Yohimbe periodically to enhance sex. But this is the first time I’m documenting my results)

Negative effects theory: The only negative effect I have ever suffered from consuming Yohimbe was insomnia, and this was because I was taking too much (1500+ mg per day). Some of the other negative effects are racing heart, palpitations & nervousness can be caused by high doses. But I also feel that combining yohimbe with caffeine is a mistake. Both chemicals cause similar negative side effects and the combination can amplify the situation. In my opinion, when taking yohimbe caffeine should be avoided.

Purchased 135 capsules of 500 mg Yohimbe Bark (8mg of Yohimbine) from Natrol for $8 (much cheaper than Tongkat Ali).

3/9/07 – Taking 1 capsule 1st thing in the morning.
- Took dose at 5:30am – by 7:30am feeling more ‘awake’ than usual (similar to having a caffeinated drink - *I don’t consume any caffeine on a regular basis). Also noticing some slight tingling in scalp and groin area.
- A slight noticeable horny feeling all day.
- Several spontaneous unexpected erections during the day.
3/10 – 3/12 – Still 1 capsule 1st thing in the morning
- Same effects, but no more tingling in the scalp area.
- Erections feel different, almost so hard that they hurt…..but a pleasurable hurt.
- Just the slight thought of sex and I get partial erections.
- No negative effects on my sleeping.
- No other noticeable negative effects.
3/13 – 3/15 –
- Feeling more horny: Anxious, tingly & on the verge of arousal. This feeling lasts all day; it is a driving feeling of horniness.
- More energy, feel more awake in the morning and less tired in the evening.
- Still no issues with sleep.
- Had sex on the 15th. The best qualities of yohimbe are discovered here. The pleasurable feelings of sex are amplified; yet reaching the point of orgasm takes noticeably longer. The sensations of orgasm was more intense. After orgasm I have a pleasant, almost slightly ‘high’ feeling (lasts 5-10min). My erection lasted for 20+ min after orgasm.
3/16 – 3/17 – Stopped taking yohimbe – prepping to start new Tongkat ali phase.
- The effects of yohimbe remain for the next 2 days after discontinuing use.
- Still having nice tingling in groin and more easily aroused.

My next plan will start on 3/20 and will last for 5 days. I will be taking high doses of Tongkat Ali for a shorter duration to test the effects.

I will post back when I have completed the phase.

I’m not getting the effects you are seanjacobs. I’m taking Tongkat and 2x daily 1000mg 45% + sap. with no real noticeable difference’s. Keep us updated.

Interesting comments about Yohimbe. I have experienced the blood flow benefits of it, but never noticed a change in pleasure or orgasm control. I might investigate this further, although I really hate the speedy feeling.

I have a whole jar of 1000 mg capsules and can barely stand taking 10 to 20% of a capsule (by breaking it open and dividing the powder).

The one time I took a whole capsule (Right after I bought the stuff), I was so jacked up I was right on the verge of going to the emergency room. I’m really sensitive to stimulants.

I get pretty much the same effect from yohimbe mravg. I don’t care to take it. Makes me think I’m getting a case of nerve damage.

In fact: I think I’m giving up on the herbal cure for libido etc. I believe the best advise I recieved was "start exercising eat healthy and get enough sleep". Not to mention: stop smoking, drinking, and Get A Job! lol

Will go looking locally for a job here, will have to settle for min. wage’s. But this sitting around, getting depressed…sux! Maybe I can get a job at Dildo Factory

Webslave & Mravg,

Do either of you consume caffeine while taking yohimbe?

Webslave,
Nicotine may have the same effect as caffeine when taking yohimbe. Combining stimulents may cause extreem effects.

Personally, I eat a very healthy diet, get some cardio 5-6 days per week and weight train 4 days per week. No smoking, drinking (not a stimulent, but may still have effects), caffeine and a very low sugar diet. So when I take yohimbe it is the only stimulent I am taking.

I am not a big coffee drinker but usually have one big cup in the morning, so I probably did have caffeine in my system when I tried Yohimbe. I’ll try it without the caffeine.

The yohimbe experiment: I just took a capsule of it. Had some stashed,,,got it at the local store/gas stop. They sell them as Energy & Libido pill. Didn’t noticed that before the energy part. I’ll be having a very busy day today..so could use the boost??

Yes I drink coffee..maybe a little too much and yes again, I smoke, mostly while sitting at this computer. Don’t smoke near as much away from it.

Took the yohimbe with 20mg liquid tadalafil. The wife is off work today….hhmm..we’ll see.

Taking 8 400mg 50:1 capsules per day for 5 days – 2 morning, 2 lunch, 2 dinner & 2 before bed.

3/20/2007 –
- Took first dose @ 5:45am, feeling a bit dizzy or light-headed by 7am. Light-headed feeling passed by 10 am and did not return.
- Had a headache all day long (may be from lack of sleep the night before)
- No noticeable increase in libido.
3/21/2007 –
- Took first dose @ 5:30am. No dizzy/light-headed feelings.
- Headache back at around 7am lasted most of the day, very painful.
- Feeling more horny than usual. More easily aroused. A few spontaneous erections for no reason.
- Had sex with the wife in the PM. No increase in pleasure during sex. No increase on intensity of orgasm. Not noticing anything much different.
3/22/2007 –
- Took first dose @ 5:30am. No dizziness, but headache all day.
- Definitely more horny, but not overly. More spontaneous erections & more easily aroused.
3/23/2007 –
- Took first dose @ 5:30am. No dizziness, but headache all day…more painful than any other day.
- Still a bit hornier, but I’m not impressed with the results so far.

I did not continue to day five. I believe I have seen enough results to realize that Tongkat Ali is not working for me. The headache became too much by day 4. This morning (day 5) the headache has completely passed.

Results/Opinions:
I have come to the conclusion that Tongkat Ali (for me) does not work well enough to bother using it as a sexual enhancer. I only had slight libido enhancement, no improvement in sexual sensation during sex, no increase I in pleasure of orgasm. I have much better results with small doses of Yohimbe and the price is better (Yohimbe = $8 for 120 500mg capsules & I take 1 per day — Tongkat Ali = $35 for 100 400mg capsules taking multiple doses per day).

It is possible that the quality of the Tonkat Ali I purchases was inferior to others, but in my opinion it still isn’t worth pursuing.

Yes, I agree with you on the effects of the Tongkat as well as the Tribulus. I’ve noticed the slight and on some days not so slight headache.

After what I have is gone, will be buying no more.

Some folks have great results from herbals and my hat is off to them.

I buy everything in bulk and make all my own pills of everything that I use and I can say that nicotine and yohimbe will have way more effect then caffeine. I don’t use rec drugs any more ever but sometimes just for fun when going out I will take 5mg yohimbe HCL, 200mg caffeine and, 25mg ephedrine HCL, and 2mg nicotine. This combination will make me high as hell but all I have to do is drink something with sugar and its gone. when you insulin spikes the jitters and things like that of the yohimbe will go away.

Tribulis, Yohimbe, and probably Tongcat ali are by themselves unstable. In other words they don’t always work, just makes you jittery. To stablelize them take them with a ginger cap. Ginger blocks pepsin,pepsin blocks Yohimbe and tribulus, don’t know about Tongcat ali, perhaps it does Ok in the presence of pepsin.