testosterone

Well I got my results from my annual blood draw. My testosterone is at 1,367. Last year it was 990. Normal range is 241-847. Before you think I am bragging, I can assure you being horny all the time is not fun at all.—especially when there is no relief. I have searched the net for about 10 hrs and find nothing on high testosterone but a million hits on how to raise testosterone. Anyone have any knowledge on this matter or direction before I go to a Urologist. I did find that the myth that high testosterone leads to prostate cancer or problems is not true. Wheww!!! I wonder if PE stimulates testosterone.

testosterone is release in the body in cycles and pulsatile.

endocrine specialist who REALLY want an accurate reflection of your levels in the body will do the levels on 3 samples of serum drawn 30 minutes apart to get the average level. Chances are you level was drawn at a peak of release and a pooled specimen would be normal. this being said, are you one herbal supplements, some of them have been reported to effect these levels. I’d see an endocrine guy or a general internist to help you put these findings in perspective.

Wow, that is an incredible high level. You must put on muscle pretty easily.

I don’t even know what my level is, but I do know I am horny all the time!!! LOL

If you are taking any supps please let us know. I have no advice on how to lower levels, but I don’t think you should bother with it really. Most guys would kill to have your level. How old are you?

Horny Hugeness.

I am 47. GinkoBiloba, some Hair vitamins— biotin, niacin and stuff. Muti Vitamin, and the occassional Arginine when I think I might get some—LOL. I do take chitosan for fatty meals and to innitially loose the extra 20 lbs. My blood pressure is 128/75. All this became apparent when I started PE and the exersize/diet two years ago. And Yes, I am adding muscle big time. I Work out( Weights)two times a week. In my basement for about 20 minutes—I hate doing it but committed to a routine. And Yes, I thought the muscle thing was coming on quicker than what I read others have. The excersize is minor but I immediately started to loose weight and get defined, almost but not quite cut. Definate metabolism boost. It is as if I kicked something into gear. Horny is not the word for it—downright heat, my wife and I are just beginning to negotiate once a week—she isoen’t seem to want to though, or she just isn’t sure what to think of the new me. I think I’m scaring her. Thanks for the info on who to see, I definately will pursue a Dr. Specialist Visit on this one as I am either very lucky or totally messed up.

Where did you find this information?
lil1 :sun:

All I did was do a search of testosterone. All posts after 1999 with testosterone and the prostate negate previous erroneous studies that imply a link to cancer…I guess there is no correlation exept for one study of 50 men, with 5 having cancer and high testosterone. Also there is the notion that if you have prostate cancer, testosterone can irritate or speed up its growth. Not proven, but a generally accepted/ good guess by researchers who advise a reduction of testosterone. Bottom line, no correlation in getting cancer, but better to reduce it if you have cancer. Also, it is good to check the dates of all medical posts on the internet, many are not current.

Enclosed is an excerpt from Eugene Shippen, M.D.’ book entitled “Testosterone Syndrome” which I highly recommend if you have not read it.

How Does Testosterone figure in All This?”

“We know that the prostate gland is hormonally sensitive not only to testosterone, but also to estrogen and a number of other hormones. Now, if the vague popular opinion that the male hormone is dangerous to the prostate gland were true, what we would expect to find in the scientific literature is some indication that a man whose testosterone level is high is at greater risk of prostate disorders that a man whose testosterone level is low, Lets look at this research.”

“One study, carried out be researchers at Johns Hopkins, followed the prostatic fortunes of more than fifty men, some of whom eventually developed prostate cancer or BPH and some of whom remained disease free. The study included lab reports on the men’s levels of test. Up to fifteen years before they developed (or failed to develop) disease. There was absolutely no connection between testosterone levels and development of illness.”

“ A couple of recent studies have also found no connection between test. Levels and PSA levels. And since PSA is the most reliable lab marker of prostate cancer risk, the absence of any relationship to test. Is reasurring.”

“These two studies were both measuring the relationship to prostatic enlargement rather than cancer; nonetheless, the implications are intriguing. The Japanese study found that the men with least prostate enlargement had higher test. levels. Conversely, the men whose prostates were enlarged had higher levels of estrogen. So striking were the relationships that the Japanese scientist concluded that estrogen levels are highly correlated with prostate size and volume. The American study done on 320 New England men with BPH severe enough to be surgically treated and 320 men without BHP found that men with higher estrogen levels were more likely to develop BPH- and that if the test. levels were also low, their risk was even higher.”

“ What we are seeing here is the prostatic side of the theme where higher estrogen levels characteristic of male aging seem to put men a greater risk of illness of many kinds. The male body does not adapt well to high blood levels of testosterone. And this problem changes is hormone conversion and hormone excretion. “

Thus BPH is correlated to increased estrogen and reduced testosterone.
Merlin

I agree entirely, however these studies only take into account subjects whose testosterone levels have not been augmented or stimulated by artificial means. While men with naturally occuring high levels of testosterone may be at no greater risk of prostate disease, is the same true of men whose testosterone levels have been artificially raised?

Testosterone or estrogen?

lil1:sun:

lil12big1

<. While men with naturally occurring high levels of testosterone may be at no greater risk of prostate disease, is the same true of men whose testosterone levels have been artificially raised? >

Perhaps the question becomes, is there a need to raise testosterone levels and under what circumstances is this effecatious. This would be the general framework per hormone dynamics. Men in their forties and fifties, may be correcting for a rise in estrogen relative to testosterone. There are a number of reasons estrogen increases, which can be effectively dealt with. 1) Obesity,2) Overuse of alcohol, 3) Zinc deficiency, 4) Alteration in liver function, 5) Age-related increases in aromatase activity, 6) Drug-induced estrogen imbalance and 7) Ingestion of estrogen-enhancing food or environmental substance. Some years later, their doctor may suggest they take chorionic gonadotrophin to stimulate their own production of the male hormone. And in the final stage of hormone therapy, they will actually move on to testosterone replacement in the form that is most convenient and effective for them.

The procedure is not to take exogenous testosterone until all other courses of action are no longer viable. If you are a healthy male, replacement is not indicated as this will negatively affect pituitary feedback mechanism causing testicular atrophy and also a potential for synthesis of extra estrogen which in turn affects adversely the prostate. Hope this helps.

Merlin

This is one of the most interesting posts in a long time. I LOL here. Almost had the whole office at my desk woundering what I was doing. You quoted;

“It is as if I kicked something into gear. Horny is not the word for it—downright heat, my wife and I are just beginning to negotiate once a week—she isoen’t seem to want to though, or she just isn’t sure what to think of the new me. I think I’m scaring her. “

Well I’m 55 and I to have changed in the last couple of months. Not sure it is Test. but the Wife and I too have been negotating our close encounters. She says that I ware he out and after 25 - 30 minutes she cant go on. This is a new side of me too, but I think I’m scaring mayself more than her.

Just thought I would share that piece.

Merlin and lil 1…

Have followed a lot of your threads… what don’t you know? That was a very interesting overview on Test. and I learned a lot. I always thought that too high a level was bad, seems I was wrong.

Appreciate the time you spend doing the research.

Canuck