Traction Device with HGH, IGF, and Androgenics administration - BIG gains

Whats up everybody,

My first post here but this looks to be an incredible board. A little intro: I’m 22 years old, college student, with good direction/discipline. As far as penis size, I am 7 inches long by 5.5 inches wide. I used the Andromedical traction device for about 3 months straight a year ago and got some decent gains, although small. It was uncomfortable as hell. However, I noticed once I went on a cycle for bodybuilding and I was using testosterone enanthate with testosterone propionate, I felt cell division, cell splittling, and saw gains at an incredible rate. By the way, I researched steroids for a full year before even touching them so I knew the inside outs to them.

My hypothesis now:

Human growth hormone, insulin-like growth factor, and androgenic steroids have been shown by many medical studies to promote increased proliferation of intracavernosal cell tissue (it makes your dick bigger in faster time.) Traction devices have shown to be very medically reliable in terms of getting measurable results instead of theory. My hypothesis in a nutshell is that proper administration of human growth hormone, insulin like growth factor, and androgenic steroids with the use of a traction device will dramatically increase the rate of cell division and therefore growth. The types of steroid of choice for the strong androgenic effects are trenbolone acetate and testosterone propionate. Importance must be placed on consistency of administration and consistent wearing of the device for optimal time during the day.

The combination of somebody who knows what the hell they are doing with these compounds (me) and somebody who knows what the hell they are doing using a penile traction device (me) seems very rare. I see a lot of messages that ask will HGH grow their dick or will steroids. That is not the correct question. In fact, there must be a stimulus for growth. The new question is: “With the administration of HGH, IGF, and androgenic steroids in conjunction with the proper use of a traction device, will the growth be increased?”

I have the research to give more details on this. I can elaborate to those skeptical. However, I want opinions from veterans and experts who have known or seen the information I am talking about.

Voice your opinions, good or bad.

Thanks,
-Jay

I don’t doubt that chemical use will help produce faster and possibly better gains, but the roids cause way too many mental issues for me( and MANY other SE’s., I think that is part of the reason why I have mental illness now.( used a lot of pro hormones in my teens for years, on and off, and used the real deal injectables just for 3 weeks last year and had a complete melt down!).

Bottom line from me; Yes, I believe they will help with PE.

But they have a shitload of side effects!

Just my 2 cents.

Peace!

I thought roids made your dick shrink.and your nuts.not make your junk bigger. Am I mistaken?

Prohormones and steroids with teens is the worst idea in the world. I won’t get into it but yes, if you have mental issues, steroids will bring them out even more.

Also, steroids do not make your penis smaller, they make your testicles shrink via the negative feedback loop. Administration of HCG during the cycle makes your balls drop and good post cycle therapy with HCG, LH, and other compounds bring your natural testosterone back into gear.

Yea , I found that out the hard way about roids and mental issues.

You are right about what you mentioned, I was going to do a 8-12 week cycle , but just 3 weeks and a very low doses drove me over the edge!

I was so scared to fuck with that stuff, I said fuck the post PST, I didn’t want to take ANY chances messing myself up anymore.

I had nolva,clomid,hcg on hand for my PST and was just to scared to take it after my melt down, I did not know if it would worsen my situation.

Do you think it would have?

I researched the stuff about 2 months before I took it, that was not nearly enough time!

This is regarding my steroid use in 2005 for 3 weeks, but I took a shit load of the pro- hormones in my teens before they got banned(on and off for about 4 years).

Jayranner1”
What was your starting stats?
What did you gain from the traction device?
Elaborate for us.

Peace.

Sorry to hear that Biggy_wang.
Jayranner1, I have no input on this topic except, I had have much more self confidence I think I’ve became more naturally bigger and the only side effects are possible injury’s while working out. I have no injury’s yet and my concentration is up 1000 fold. If somebody ever suggested steroids to me I would have to reject them just on principle. In my opinion it’s risky, dangerous, ** But worse won’t last forever ex. (Pro wrestling). Doing drugs is dangerous, additive, and could risk your life (Mr. Perfect, Eddie Guerrero), I have never heard of any good stories that would ever interest me in doing steroids(or any other drug for that matter). Good luck with your PE And maybe look in to a Better way of increasing your hormones, your penis size too And Maybe try other things before going to extremes. Jayranner1 if you would enlighten me about what HGH, IGF, and androgenic steroids is I would like to read please.

Good luck.

Thanks for your sympathy.

You yourself have to understand the risk, and some people are just too shady and biased to trust,I was never one of those, I will explain below.

Now this worries me, You go form being against , to this.

Sure , it’s not like you are going to start using them or anything.
Well listen to my story ,(short version)
I fucked myself up bad has a teen on pro hormones(yes I was a fool, I can accept that)
It Knocked me right out of life, caused so much mental illness(Anxiety,social phobias,the works etc.), I became home-bound for a year at time!(this happened twice during my pro hormone days).
Well I did not , at the time think this was because of pro hormone use, my mental illnesses( did not know it was mental at the time) was so bad the I felt I had something physically wrong with me, so after being home-bound ( the second time,this for a year+) One of the many Doctors I saw , said” son , You have bad anxiety and depression”.
Well they put me on Paxil, I stabilized on that after about 3 months and was fine for 4 years.
Now last Oct,05 , I was working, had a g/f, shit was going good, I was already in great shape and was weaning off the paxil(70% decrease and stayed like this for about 3 months with no probs), I was doing many physical activities and said to myself” I wonder If I could get some kind of boost”.
Well there was this guy at the gym who was always saying” dude you already have a good body , man If you took some gear(steroids) you would be fucking great!.
(Oh, and at this time I have not yet put two and two together that these substances triggered my mental problems)
So I did about 2 months of research , Picked out the shit to take, and did the very minimum that one would recommend( most said I was on a pussies dose) , so here I am at Oct,24 2005 sticking that needle in my butt.
3 weeks later, the mental melt down.( just before the steroids by the way, I was cool , calm and confident, no worries) .
Forced to Quit my job, became home-bound, became completely anti-social, back on a new medicine and my girl left me!
This was all because what happened before , was happening again.
See the correlation with that and what happened before?
Before I decided to go on to the steroids, It was during the time of me doing all the research ( online forums , people I knew on them) that I decided to give it a go, so with that said, be prepared to be VERY tempted during your research, the people and online communities were VERY biased about the info on roids in their favor-(obviously because they are using them) , yea, their are side effects , but you can counter them all with the right knowledge they say.
This is just my story.
It does not affect everyone the same way.
My bro’s story very quick,
We were always looking up to one another and did many of the same things, well he did a bunch of pro hormone use as well in his teens.
Here is that outcome- His hair fell out at 19, went through very bad mental issues,(,Put in a loony home for a few months,he is now on meds has well), and is just plain lost in life because of this.It has been a very traumatizing situation for the both of us.
I am not being biased to keep you off of them, I am simply giving you my story.
And about What I mention above about being shady and biased, through my experience with the research before I started, Everyone( steroid community) kept the dirty little secrets away from me it seemed.
What I mean by this is nearly no one through my research stressed the dangers enough and these forums really never talked about the seriousness of the side effects.
They only seemed to talk about the beneficial shit, like” yea dude, I just put on 10 pounds of muscle”.
But you see, with steroids you HAVE to talk about the Side effects maybe even more than the positives, here is why,
1.They are very likely to happen.
2.They can be very serious side effects.

Hell, the Side effects are so common that some people on steroids acknowledged and accept it in the sake of gaining muscle, more like the little things though, hair loss, Rage, Sexual problems / enhancements.
This is just the SHORT story by the way.
Well this has been a lot from me, I am not trying to tell no one what to do, but I will say , I would never want someone to go through the hell I went through on .
It has truly crushed who I was to be, maybe I can make a comeback.

Peace!

A little info here.

Jay bruv you beat me to it, I’ve been thinking the exact same thing, do me a favor and check out the thread collagen considered and go to page 4 mread what I posted about collagen synthsis and different androgens. It’s probably a little more complicated than your thinking, but we’re on the same track. I’ve read about different growth factors and their effects on cell proliferation, however that’s a small part of it. I’m going to start a new thread to get a better discussion goign I’ll Pm you.

BiggyW wrote:

BW - From your post it seems to me you are on a great comeback and I wish you all the best. It takes courage to accept responsibility. Great successes are the culmination of many little steps in the right direction, taken one day at a time.

Thanks for such a thoughtful, introspective post :) .

Cheers,

MrTiPS

Thanks for your inspiring and comforting reply MrTips!

My journey has been a very humbling experience indeed, you learn not to take little things in life for granted.
Maybe this has been a blessing in disguise.
Before all of these hard times in life, I was a big headed, cocky little jerk who wanted it all.
Now I just want to be happy and Content in life, I believe this is a sign of maturity.
I just would like to tell people my story so they can avoid the mistakes I have made.
I have said all I need to say about me and those bad experiences, I know some has to be tired of hearing it( I was that way when I was younger).
So let’s get back to PE!
Peace, BW

I’m 100 % Never doing drugs for social gain ever. I’m never doing drugs again for social gain because I have had my own unfortunate DE socialize It happen about 2 1/2 years ago. I was doing Perks, drinking, smoking, and Not sleeping in a nice area for about 1 month (I guess they say). And I guess I was Vary hurt, that I let myself down then I was hallucinating bad when I lye there listening to _blasting music_ seeing my happy place getting riped to shreds by evil zombies and seeing the rappers of the music faces raping(Oh shit* that was enough of them :) so I transition to move outta the Attic with probably had fungus behind the walls(it was a real mess and I cleaned it up(trash)) I cleaned it up and moved in. When I moved down my parents had just moved there, I had just Told my 2 year friend to get the out I really felt abandon. About a few months latter I told my family I was saning this green alien on the wall (I haven’t made any new friends even now) So my dad total ignored the facts(drugs, no friends, in my past I have been addicted to RPG games) and told the Dr. That this just happen and then the DR. Put me on some kind of pill for psychotic. And that was a really bad idea for him to let them put me on that drug. I was on for a week then my dad took me off of it(real smart) & the Dr. Anyway I’ve just glad I’m away from the whole drug seen & I know that I’m doing a lot better and I still am not taking any medication. *Kinda scary wasn’t taking candy pills That doctor gave me the hard stuff* shivers. That is my experience with drugs, can I say that is with everyone no, Some people have kids and have dysfunctional family’s, & drugs are bad. There are no perfectness with any drug. So taking steroids for the fact of gain cost $$, takes time, and your dirtying yourself with a bad testable drug. I say try to stay away from bad drugs and your future would look brighter.

I agree with MrTips And thank you Ur post, it has double confirmed me to just always say No. Then walk away too cause birds of a feather flock together.

Please use the spell check kapital. Thanks!

Also, the paragraphs are free, use as many as you want. It will make your posts easier to read.

This Month I come back from a 5 Months Decondition Brake and I gonna start the Newbie Routine again ! I will inject Hgh as supplement to my Routine so my Question ist

Use a traction Device after the Routine for the rest of the Day or not hmmm

Thanks for your thoughts :)