How to -LOWER- my testosterone

Wow, good for you! You want a cookie?

He just wanted to tell you that it isn’t all about the testosterone levels.

I’ve said this before, but I think it’s worth repeating. Self-depreciating humor only works if you are so accomplished that it becomes humorous - if you aren’t “up there” then all you do is wind up reinforcing a low self-image in yourself and give that impression to others.

Example: Making a self-depreciating joke about forgetting to zip up your fly whilst making the final push on Mt. Everest (“nearly froze my dick off - literally!”) is OK, because you are making a joke of yourself in a situation that very few can reach up to anyway; you have plenty of leeway for making jokes about yourself. Making a self-depreciating joke about forgetting to zip up your fly when you went to the bathroom at work isn’t all that cool (“you should have seen the secretary!”), it only places you firmly on the lower half of the Bell curve of cool.

This is a parallell to the “don’t bitch and whine to friends, because it get’s old” argument that I mentioned earlier.

Oh, and go a little easy on the sarcasm directed at others. There are helpful people who don’t appreciate it, you might miss out on something. Apart from the fact that it isn’t always comme il faut.

No shit it’s all in my head right? Yeah and maybe his age didn’t have anything to do with his answers?

It was a fucking test I found on Google to post as a quick example, not as my “proof” that I have low T levels.

Guys, I am not that smart, I admit that, but I do know there are no magic pills and having some symptoms doesn’t necessarily mean I have it.

Sorry I posted a random T test form the net without explaining it first. We will see how my tests come out and will go from there.
While it’s true that medication can’t cure everything, neither can stiff upper lip and a bottle of fish oil. Most people around here seem to think any type of medical treatment is evil and simply “snapping out” of it is the answer. Right because I love being this way, I love not being able to get up in the morning and being tired all day and having sleeping problems. Must be some deeply routed shit form my childhood, that’s it, I just got to focus and pull myself up by my bootstraps.

No-one pays attention to anything I say other then the parts that are easy to pick apart and throw back in my face. I have been this way for YEARS, a least since I was 15. I tired “snapping out of it”, supplements, diet exercise, blah blah blah - nothing works. Does that mean it is positively my T levels - no - I realize that, I just asked a question man. It’s like the whole water bottle comment I made in another tread. I clearly stated that a water bottle was used as a indicator of size and a marker. If people stopped and thought for a moment they might realize I mentioned those two particular objects for a reason. What characteristics do they both share similar to a penis. Girth? Nope length. What did everyone think? Girth and completely disregarded the marker. Then this just makes me look like an asshole who over exaggerates. Measure a Poland Spring bottle for length - 8”.
Whatever I am tired

mgus, Self-depreciating humor is the only way I get through stuff. I am sick of having situtations and things both psychically and mental happen to me that don’t to the majority of people. Like when you go to the Dick Doctor and he says “well I’ve been doing this 30+ years and I’ve never seen that happen before”. I never even make mention of what my penis looks like, it’s a freakish mess ( I have to get a camera soon, I think some visual aids will help some people out, they can finally see the tragic mess of man I am working with) People in hear talk about discoloration, I would kill for discoloration rather then what my shit looks like. Positive attiude is not a cure all and how the hell can I be positive, about what? I am too tired to be coherent at this point I am going to bed. Can’t wait to wake up and see my crappy argument pulled apart.

ManCuck,

I am definitely not suggesting a stiff upper lip or fish oil will cure a broken arm or take care of each and every depression, and I am fully aware that snapping out of it isn’t an answer for medical conditions. I’m all for medication - when it’s clear what the medication is meant to do, which is why I usually suggest not rushing into things.

Concerning the marker and the bottle - guilty as charged. I think most of us, when we envision a bottle and a marker, get hung up on the volume of the bottle; size comes in terms of the whole picture, so to speak. You need to use examples we understand, MC.

Self-depreciating humor - I’m not sure it’s all you think it is. I understand you are using it as a defence shield, by exaggerating the negative to the point that you can feel that you are better than the point you are exaggerating it to. At least I’d guess that’s the way you use it. But I’m not sure it’s doing you good in the long run - it sounds to me like you are setting up a boundary that gets harder to cross.

Thanks mgus, you always seem to be calm, collective, rational and geneually interseted in people’s welfare. I am sorry if I seemed rude to anyone, sometimes I lose it. I go for blood work this week and should have the results by next week. They will indicate what my T levels are at, if I have any thyriod problems or blood sugar. I no longer plan to influence the tests in anyway. I do not view medication in any form as a cure all. I believe it is just a tool to help people get unstuck, provide a stepping stone or take the edge off. The rest is up to the individual. To the best of my recolection my last test came back in the three hundreds, but that was a long ago and I could be very off. However I feel that number is probably acurate and expect a score in the 200-350 range, which might be in what is considered the normal range but still extremely low. We will see, I am going for blood work today and I came in a hour late so 6hr day for me Wooo.

ManChuck,

I do not mean to be mean, but you look inward at yourself, your feelings, your pain too much. You need to move on and focus on something other than yourself. You are obviously intelligent, but consumed by your own minutia.

1. Work.
2. Eat right.
3. Workout - exercise.
4. PE if you like.
5. Get a social part time job that allows you to meet people and women.
6. Set a goals financial and personal.
7. Live your life and be happy.

Otherwise you will find a doctor or someone that validates your negative feelings and you will fulfill your expectations.

I think this might make things a little clearer for everyone - I have been fucked up for years and JUST started trying to fix the mess which is my life about 8 months ago. SO yes it may seem I am obsessed with myself but I am trying to fix shit. Being a procrastinator by nature doesn’t help me much. Despite the fact I seem absolutely miserable, I am MUCH better then I was 8 months ago, if I didn’t seek out treatment then I would be dead right now.

Will see how my tests go, I am not making any attempt to alter the results, so they should be accurate. I will be able to find out in one fell swoop if I do have any easily identifiable conditions that would cause my symptoms. Results should be in about a week.

In the mean time I defiantly going to procure myself a digital camera, buy or borrow, so I can get some picks up here or somewhere I can host them for free, so people can see what I am working with. I think once people see the body I am trapped in and the Frankenstein penis I have (trust me, if you feel insecure about the appearance of your cock wait till you see mine, besides the problems I obviously have with the size and erectile function, it looks like someone reconstructed it out of half a dozen mangled ones. I have spots, different color patches, a piece of skin that connects from my head to my shaft, different textures and raised skin, bumps, blah blah blah)A picture is worth a thousand words. That is why I feel I need to increase it’s size as much as possible to compensate for it’s appearance. Right now I just seem like a normal dude complaining about nothing. Once people see the disaster that is me, they might see it from my point of view.

I know I come off negative and that negative thinking is counter productive. But I don’t like to think of myself as negative, I like to think I am realistic. Sure I focus to much on myself, because I hate every inch of myself. Is it depression? My mind playing tricks on me? My attitude? Maybe. It’s just there are so many things I want to change about myself it’s hard to put my mind else where. The amount of effort it’s going to take to overhaul my life is overwhelming and it makes me very pissy.

1. Work - DO - side work should Begin end of July so putting in 60hrs minimum by August, god know I need the cash
2. Eat right - Kind of, eating much better as of late, I really need to get on some type of supplement programs, like adding fish oil and such
3. Workout - exercise. Whoops got me there. To exhausted during the week, but I haven’t been untiling my weekend time effectively
4. PE if you like. - Started, half ass, I think once I devote more time to this and see some gains it would be very encouraging
5. Get a social part time job that allows you to meet people and women. - bartending - been hunting already
6. Set a goals financial and personal. - financial - make enough money not to be in debt every month - personal - change as much as I possible can about myself
7. Live your life and be happy. - I’ll never be happy, most people aren’t, I would settle for content, or at least not miserable

I just can’t see being positive and upbeat about anything. If I was I would just be a fake, a jerk. How can I be confident with nothing to confident about? I hate fake people and I will never be one. In my eyes people who are confident and happy have a reason, they just don’t decide to be. If your confident at work, it because you have skills and believe in them. If you confident with ladies, it’s because your good looking, or have the gift of gab, or a great body, packing heat, money, etc.. If not your just a loser jerk with an inflated ego that has nothing to really be proud of but does so anyway, a fake. I don’t want to be that.

So is Androgel the answer to my problems - no - will it help if I need it - hell yeah -
In fact I am almost certain I will have a very low level of T but not enough to get treatment, just low enough to make it almost impossible to bring up to normal levels through anything that I can do. I mean can exercise and a perfect diet bring a 300 up to 800+. I serously doubt it.

Good for you keep at it. Like Flylady says, your house didn’t get messy overnight, and it won’t be in order overnight either.

Being realistic, as you put it, puts a lot of focus on the negative things you are working on, when you should be focusing on your strong areas. Over on the happinesshypothesis.com site there are links to positive psychology sites that host tests about finding your strenghts. I haven’t gotten around to that yet, but in principle I do believe it to be more profitable to focus on that which you already know you are good at.

Financial - it’s an old truth (and one I am poor at heeding), but it’s easier to not spend a buck than it is to earn one.

I’ll say this for you MC, you sound a lot better today than you did in your first posts.

Got my results in but my cellphone was breaking up so the results maybe off. I think they are correct and will update them if incorrect when I call back to have the results faxed to me on Monday.

Total: 515
Free: 19.8

Now before I freak out ( I am really pissed right now, I am trying to calm down) can exercise and diet really bring me up to over 800 were I should be (I am 24)? I just can’t see how using legal supplements and working out like crazy can possibly give me the 40-50% boost I require.

I would rather do things the legal way but if is impossible then I am defiantly going to have to go for the illegal shit.

BTW my attitude is much better now and I am not dwelling on the things that I cannot fix. I have plenty to do to keep me busy in the areas I can fix. I have also began to except the things I can’t change and the fact that life shits on people that don’t deserve it and rewards the people who deserve to be shit on. That’s just the way it is.

Also I have come to realize that I lucked out in two departments, so I guess I am not a total loss. I am 6’1” (used to be 6’2” but apparently I shrunk) which I guess a lot of people would kill for considering all the height threads lately and I have a starting girth of 5.5”. Other than that I got fucked in every other department, but it could be worse right?

So if anyone has any suggestion of how I can bring my T levels up to normal either legally or illegally please let me know. I live in the States in CT if that helps and I would like specific information if you are considerate enough to post. Please don’t just tell me to work out or take a supplement - be specific. Real life experience would be very welcome.

Thanks so much

Did they give you the normal reference ranges for those?

I’ll get them tomorrow when I get the blood work faxed to me at work. Of hand I believe that the total range was 250-850 and the free 9 - 25 but like I said my cellphone was fucked up so I could be way off.

If those are the normal boundries then you are fine and normal. Why are you looking for reasons to freak out?

Ummm because I am 24 and have the T level of a healthy man in his forties? Maybe that’s it. I supposed to be at the end of my peak, 18-20 being the peak and rolling off after that and I get the levels of a 40+ year old. Wait I should be dancing in the streets right.

Sorry, it is just aggravating, it’s like you just found out that you have the liver or the heart of a 40 year old and there is no way to fix it (besides getting a hold of illegal and VERY expensive shit)

I just want to feel like an average guy my age, I want to be horny, I want morning wood, I want be aggressive, etc…

I just want to normal.