Mesentery

I don’t know that this comment fits here so much, but I think a few Dudes will find it interesting. I’m thinking about this web published article that I recently read with headline “new organ discovered in the human body.” Long story short, I think this so called “new organ” plays an as yet undiscovered role in erectile function. It’s called the “mesentery.” From what anyone seems able to gather about it, which is not much, they do seem able to conclude that it is very flexible,and it plays a role in moving lymphatic and vascular fluids. From the image provided I think I can accurately deduce it functions as a pump. I believe it is this organ that explains the huge increase in my base girth. I believe I am feeling this organ expand during the final phase of erection, and contract thereafter. I think I am concentrating a particular energy that starts the pump. This pump functions in such a way as to relocate it’s inflated mass into what we like to call the cock Because I just have to say to you guys that lately you wouldn’t believe it. My base is getting so big I can’t even tell you, and when I’m flaccid there is like nothing there at all. Anyway, those are some rantings I needed to share.

From what I’ve read, this body-part (organ) has much to do with digestion. Not sure how or if it affects erections.

Swaffel

Could you provide the link to that article you mention? I’d like to read it.

Thanks in advance

Richard65

Mesentery: New organ discovered inside human body by scientists (and now there are 79 of them) | The Independent | The Independent

Thank you Swaffel.

I think I’ll open a new thread about it in order not to hijack BD’s progress log.

There we can talk about the mesentery.

This thread is made for the discussion of the mesentery as raised by swaffel in a progress log thread.

Swaffel

Well, that article is not a very brillant summary of the aricle in Lancet. The detailed mesentery structure is known since 1880-1890, and it’s functions are researched since the 1920s. Now with biochemistry having made big leaps in methods, it is not very surprising that the knowledge of functionality progresses too.

But the very same thing can be said about the immune system or the DNA double helix which both started to be a bit better understood in the 60’s.

But what makes you conclude that the mesentery is linked in any way to the reproductive system of the human body?

That’s an interesting idea. The mesentery of the rectum would be very close to the root of the penis. I’ve always thought your description of base girth growth was referring to the CS bulb of the penis. Something most of us cannot target for growth because there’s no way to get a grip on it as it is covered by the body on all sides except one. The crus (roots of the CC’s) are attached to the body via muscles, which then attach to the bones of the pelvis, from my understanding. The bulb (root of the CS) is attached to perineal membranes, which as far as I know could be overlapping or continuous with the mesentery. It would make sense that over time these membranes and connective tissues would grow along with the bulb, as they are also subject to the PE forces. Perhaps it plays some role.

I agree, Richard. with your description of that article. “Click bate” was what I was thinking. I’m glad to see you did some further research. I did too, before I made that original comment, and I will stick by my ascertion that not much seems to be known about it.
The reason I suggest that it may play a role in erectile function, is as I’ve already stated. I can feel something happening in my body that I think may explain why my erect volume can change so dramatically from flaccid to erect. I’m going from 10 c.i. to 32 c.i. I’ve been doing p.e. straight for 30 years. Only in the last 10 have I begun to see development of my base. While the length as measured from the pubic bone has changed very little in that time, the base has developed so as to increase the length as measured from the under side. Over a foot long. At 100% my base is getting so engorged that my scrotum is completely stretched forcing my testicles above my shaft under the pubic pad.
I feel a sensation that is connected to my abdominal muscles during the the final phase of erection, the phase where my base expand and hardens. Anyway, when I saw that image provided of the mesentery, I just thought thats it, that’s what I’m sensing. That thing activating, undulating in a way that changes it’s shape, and curls itself out into my cock. Of course I could be wrong. I’m no Doctor.

Heya Swaffel

Well, as you said, yes, I did some background search. I’m a kind of a nitpicker :-)
I will therefore use the Latin terms in the following answer. Not to brag (my Latin is pig Latin on it’s best days) but in order to use the international anatomy standard naming when it comes to anatomy.

So let’s have a closer look at the mesenterium:

- The mesenterium is part of the peritoneum structure. The peritoneum has the function to enclose the entire gastrointestinal structure and offer mechanical support and protection to the coelomic organs. Peritoneum and mesenterium contain blood vessels as well as lymphatic vessels. To say it in simple words: the "walls" contain the "supply wires and tubes" too.

- The mesenterium is strictly part of the intraperitoneal structures, neither being subperitonela or retroperitoneal. In simple words, the mesenterium is always on the inner the peritoneum. It is attached to the inner side of the walls of the peritoneum and connecting to jejunum and ileum (small intestines), transverse colon and sigmoid colon (the part of the colon just before the abdomen) as well as connected to the appendix through the ileum part of the mesenterium.

- Naturally, being not only a mechanical but a transport structure of the body, the mesenterium has a "pumping" function for lymphatic and blood fluids. That by the way is the main reason why the mesenterium is now candidate for consideration as organ, as the detailed functionality of the mesenterium is suspected to be much more than just a transport medium but would have metabolic functions too. To compare this, the appendix, being a evolutionary residual organ has no apparent function. But there is ongoing research which analyses if the appendix has functions for the immune system. So this is quite a regular thing that now with the more accurate biochemical and microscopic means of these days we are able to find new functionality in already known organs or structures of the body.

Sources:
I think the Wikipedia articles about the mesenterium and peritoneum are pretty well and seriously written:
- Mesentery - Wikipedia
- Peritoneum - Wikipedia
- Sigmoid colon - Wikipedia shows where the sigmoid colon is located
- is a great view on the lower male abdomen

Now what about the mesenterium and erections?
The mesenterium is nowhere connected to any part of the reproductive system. So we definitely can exclude any sort of pumping function connected to the corpus spongiosum or corpus cavernosum of the male penis.
It well has a "pumping" function, but this "pumping" function can’t be compared to the pumping function and power the heart is able to deliver. The pressure levels required for getting an erection can only be delivered by the arterial blood pressure.
Therefore I am afraid to say that we have to exclude the mesenterium from being responsible in any way for erections.

But what about the massive expansion from 10cci to 32cci?
So you are having an erection factor of 3.2. My question is: have you measured before you started PE? The question sounds maybe surprising, but usually erection factor goes down by PE training. The reason is pretty simple: flaccid growth. The more you do PE, the more your penis develops from "grower" to "shower" because of ligaments being more stretched, CS and CC being permanently enlarged (we call it cemented gains :-) ) and, especially in case of long high-pressure pumping, quite a bit of fluid can be permanently stored wherever is space in the enlarged structures. In simple words: the flaccid penis gets heavy, thick and long. I suppose you can confirm the massive growth of the flaccid penis in your own case. Now I have, by chance, my initial measurements at hand. The measurements are bone-pressed length, mid-section girth, volume in cubic inches for flaccid and erect.
Pre-PE flaccid 6.10; 3.94; 7.53 erect 8.35; 5.51; 20.18 erection factor for volume: 2.68
By now: flaccid 6.54; 4.33; 9.75 erect 8.78; 5.87; 24.04 erection factor for volume 2.46
You see, my volume erection factor went down by 8.9% in a mere 3 years. This by no means should be interpreted that you have in any sort a kind of a small penis - erect or flaccid. It simply means that erection factor is probably not the base for a solid argumentation.
I would not be surprised if a erection factor of over 4 is possible - but that usually means a impressive grower starting at a quite low flaccid size.

But what about the development of base girth in the last ten years?
Well, that simply means you had found your appropriate training method. I suppose you did a lot of pumping, and as far as I remember you did some pretty extreme methods like clamped diving or clamping/wrapping for longer times with the namba. This, in my opinion, may explain the development of the base girth. Probably you did less constrictive methods before the last ten years. And I suppose that with a penis that massive, it is not only enlargement of the CS and CC that made you gain but fluid build-up too. As I did until now only see flaccid or manually clamped pictures of your penis, I guess your erections are not that hard as they were before. I don’t mean to attack you by saying that, but fluid build-up is a quite natural phenomenon if massive pumping is involved, so the mass of the penis becomes so big that the hydraulic capacity of CS and CC is no longer sufficient to maintain the penis completely erect.

OK, that basically what I can answer based on the sources I found and some knowledge I have.

I am very interested to read your answer soon

R65

To answer your question: No, I don’t have a documented measure of volumetric increase from placid to erect from early in my p.e. career. A shame really. I have to rely on my memory, so I won’t say anymore about that, other than I’ve always been more of a grower than shower.
You’re right in your assertion that it has become somewhat more difficult to get a rock hard erection as my penis has developed, but only when there is a lack of physical stimulation. As soon as external pressure is applied, like while penetrating my girlfriend’s vagina, or wrapped in my namba, then the issue dissolves. My erections presently are harder than ever before in my life. Furthermore, I can make them last as long as I choose, unless I’m tired.
I found your comment regarding your percentage increase in volume from flaccid to erect quite illuminating. I wasn’t aware that others were experiencing similar increases with those I’m experiencing. Probably not as unusual as I was thinking. Thanks, Richard, for the very thoughtful consideration you have given my comment. I don’t, however, find any of the information you have provided to be a convincing refutation of my theory.

Hi Swaffel

Glad to hear that you do not have EQ troubles. I meant you definitely have a big volume to fill in - 40cu inches are roughly 10% of your overall blood quantity!

Regarding the theory: dissens is cool, that is the motor for a discussion and makes PE knowledge advance. So let’s suppose you may be right with the theory that the mesenterium can pump blood into the base of the penis.

Until now you said you are feeling it. That is an undeniable fact.

But how would you, in simple terms of pelvic anatomy, explain through which vessels that blood flows and where the connection to the mesenterium is exactly. I mean pumping 40cu inches of blood needs an artery with a considerable diameter. Where would that artery be and how is it called?

Ok Brother, first you aught not say 40 when I say 32, if you want to quote me. I agree though, it’s a big volume. Were on safe ground there. But no bro, I didn’t say I thought it was pumping blood into the penis. I said I thought it pumped it’s self up by collapsing some areas and expanding others, there by changing it’s shape. I think it’s (organ or not) squirting itself out through my pelvic floor, and joining my cock in the business of producing a boner. Maybe I didn’t say any of that. Maybe I’ve gone stark raving mad.

Heya Swaffel

I was just quoting your PE database stats of 9”x7.5” which gives a 40cci volume. I’m a bit irritated right now which number then is correct.

Now to the mesenterium: OK, you say no blood pumping. What you say is that your mesenterium squirts itself (or parts of it) through the pelvic floor to the root of the penis and by this increases the penile volume. So somewhere your peritoneum then has to have a hole.

Well, that then would be called a hernia. That is a quite serious medical condition. Hernias can be bearable in some parts (for example the loin) and terrible in others. A hernia of the pelvic floor means parts of your bowels join the base of the penis (or even the scrotum) and this is very painful.

I am afraid but I guess you have to find another theory explaining your base girth.