IS there a problem with all night pumping

Well, sleep is the time when our bodies recuperate. It’s not at all clear whether all-night ADS or all-night pumping help or hinder gains. I could see it going either way.

Please don’t misinterpret my post above as an advertisement for Cialis. I’m getting to a certain age where that particular molecule comes in handy. But the young whippersnappers on the forum can probably do just fine without it, and many old farts can as well.

The important thing is not whether one takes the drug, but whether one gets hot, horny, and hard before dropping off to sleep. I found this to be a helpful technique when I was interested in gaining girth, and I gained quite easily.

In addition to getting hard, I would do some ULI squeezes in bed whenever I could—especially when heading off to sleep and when awakening in the morning. If I woke up during the night I would do them as well.

I’m not saying don’t do PE. I’m saying don’t do PE while you are sleeping. Your body goes through special cycles while you sleep and it’s best not to interfer with your natural cycles.

Besides, doing PE while you sleep is almost a dangerous as smoking while you sleep.

His judgment has to do with injury avoidance. It’s what they call ‘sound’ judgment or ‘good’ judgment. Let me acquaint you with it: with any PE activity you are putting unatural stress on your one and only organ. It’s best to be awake while doing this; it’s a smarter choice. This is to prevent or minimize things from going horribly wrong. It’s hard to be on top of things and correct unexpected problems if you are unconscious.

Forget the sleeping part for a minute: try staying pumped continuously for 8 hours - even when you are awake this is not a good idea. I think JAPP’s understated warning of gangrene is not far off the mark.

electron built a pump that cycled through different intervals of hg pressure. The plans are searchable. If I’m not mistaken this allowed him to have longer continous pumping sessions.

You would still be insane to do this as you slept or for longer than an hour.

Talk about lymph-dick.

Now about sleep: the sleep cycle provides healing for the whole body - the penis included. Just like in weight lifting your muscles need days off and eight hours of rest, your newly stressed out unit will need sleep as well as breaks from PE.

In other words: give it a rest.

When you break down tissue it needs time to repair.

Your eagerness is understandable, and your desire to think outside the box (so to speak) is an admirable enough impulse, but the truth is: slow and steady wins the race with PE. People are just warning you not to do the same stupid stuff others have done in an effort to speed up the process. PE doesn’t speed. It’s about taking time, being consistent and most importantly listening to your body.

Read the Physiological Indicators thread.

I understand your common PE morality, especially in the responsibility of the name of Thunder’s forum “Don’t do shit! We gave you a warning”

The way of pumping with cycling through different Hg pressures comes along with quite an amount of risks. I have already stated them in the first post written in this thread.

The ‘advanced night wood’ method using Cialis or Viagra is in my opinion far less dangerous as it does not imply the uncontrolled use of any mechanical PE device whatsoever, but works on a purely chemical basis. And frankly speaking, at tab prices of about 1$ I see even some great potential in this method, either as stand-alone or complimenting decent daytime PE. So this method can not be understood as a form of active PE using your hands or mechanical devices, but rather as passive PE. It does not pose any possibilities to - hurt oneself with sharp objects - choke blood and oxygen supply - do any form of damage to the device used, as there is no device. From a technical point of view, I would therefore regard this method as safe, even whilst asleep.

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I understand your common PE morality, especially in the responsibility of the name of Thunder’s forum “Don’t do shit! We gave you a warning”

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Actually, that’s “Don’t do stupid shit! We gave you a warning!”

Ah, I see. I love your perfectionism, mgus. One day I’ll buy it off!

That almost sounds like it means something. I’m not sure what though.

I suppose that’s true if you assume it works according to the way you surmise it does. Don’t think it does though.

As far as I understood the pump was programmed to cylce through 15 minutes at 6 or 8 hg and then a 5 minute rest cycle at around 2 or 3 hg. These values could be modified by the user, but my memory is that those were what electron used as a means to pump continuously and extend his overall time in the tube. Even so I don’t believe he lasted much longer than an hour or two, as there was still the danger of lymph build-up and donuts. If you give yourself donuts often the more suseptible you are to them.

This is not really PE; it’s really just wasting Cialis.

I’ve tried liquid C. It does work to provide a slightly firmer feeling erection, but that’s about it. It’s really not significantly different than a normal erection, I doubt it has any real value as PE.

But what do I know?

ModestoMan, I am very disapointed in your post. Why wouldn’t you just have posted this. Even though your post was semi-positive, it had some negative signals. Reading this, newbies are more likely to give the sleeping and not monitoring the penis a shot. Just say no! don’t do it! So much can happen. Being awake is better and safer alternativeis to be aware of what is going on. C’mon dude you are a Moderator, cut right to the meat, don’t even let them think about it.

Please take no offense, but reading your post, don’t elaborate, just say no. some of the newbies here are translating what they only want to read and not all they should read. Safety is a factor and I think this forum is very safe consiance, but our newbies are like our kids, so when we post, we should assume that newbies are reading and just not senior members. In otherwords, I know where you were going with your post, but to much info can be damaging…….to somebody.

Eveything we do here is dangerous, but common sense should be preached at the start of threads like this.

Point taken, Tnt, but I felt that I needed to be balanced in my response since I myself have posted about using a vacuum ADS all night long. I felt it would be hypocritical to simply “say no” in this thread when I was clearly doing something similar and talking about it in another thread.

That said, I do think all-night pumping is a bad idea. I wouldn’t do it.

I see, ModestoMan you’re a good person, Thanks for not retaliating.

Well the idea of a forum is to share ideas, rather than ‘retaliate’. ModestoMan has a firm grasp of this - firmer than most actually (but then what do we expect from a mod?).

It’s tricky, because sometimes there are ideas which have very little merit and so to respond honestly and directly can sound disparaging. The important thing is to be sure it’s the idea that is being challenged rather the forum member.

I see the bind of being called hypocritical, but I also think the basic message of caution over immediate gratification is the sanest - the real gainers here have put in time. There just doesn’t seem to be anyway around that.

The sleep cycle is a really important bodily function, anything that can be done PE-wise in that cycle should be no more than the stress that could happen naturally. Fowfers can occur unbeknownest to the sleeper if he rolls over, it makes sense that the body can handle it. But fowfers are hardly going to produce huge gains.

It just seems to me that sleep should be sleep. We can do enough and more effective stuff when awake.

Prior to my experiment sleeping with my vacuum ADS, I would certainly have concurred that an automatic “NO” response, especially from a mod, would be the right response to doing PE while sleeping. Now, I think there may be some very limited situations in which it might be OK. Fowlers is one example, although I frankly think that what I do is safer than doing fowlers.

Perhaps I set a bad example by using my vacuum ADS all night. Perhaps I’ve reinforced that bad example by talking about it here.

Putting those policy concerns aside for a moment, I honestly think that pumping at night is a bad idea. There has always been a debate about the role of rest in PE. Some say rest is not needed for length gains. However, no one has ever said this about girth gains. There is a general concensus that rest is critical to girth gains, and that there are strong diminishing returns to exercising too hard or for too long.

For the purposes of this particular all-night exercise, can we all speak with one voice and say “Don’t do it?” I am on board.

I think I may try taking a like 20mg viagra every night before bed for a month or so. Since I own a research company it will realy only cost me about 1 dollar for a month so if it has no benifit then I’m not realy out anything.

I don’t think Viagra alone will do the trick. What I think helped me in my girth campaign was thinking about sex before bed, getting super hard, squeezing the hell out of my dick while kegeling, and falling asleep horny and hard. From there, I would let nature take its course.

If Viagra helps you get hot and hard, then I think it might help (provided you do the other things). Otherwise, like the man said, it’s just a waste of Viagra.

BTW, I haven’t used V, only C, so I can’t vouch for the effectiveness of V in this application.

Well I make and sell both the C tends to stuff up my nose some that’s why I will use the V I find if I take either I have much harder and more frequent night time erections which I think may help to promote growth along with a good pe routine. I think the key for this to work is to find one that works for you and is not over training and then add the C or V in as an addition to this. What do you think medesto? If you would like to try some V let me know I can send you a sample