Is there any real limit?

What is the maximum gains someone can get? It makes sense for returns to diminish, but I have a theory. The main factor (from what I’ve read) is your cock getting conditioned to the exercise, therefore your cock won’t benefit from the trauma it causes after a while. But a post from a user named ThoughtfullGold was about how every 6 weeks take a week off from your routine, and every 6 weeks taken off take a month off, or something like that. This is supposed to get your dick unaccustomed to the stress so it can get fresh gains once again. So in theory if you take scheduled brakes you can perpetually gain. But if you do many different kinds of stretches and devices, and take breaks from each of them to uncondition, the room for gains would probably be limitless(Of course if you had a 30 inch dick there would probably be many other things holding you back). So the question still stands, what limits and barriers stand in the way of gaining?

I worry that one of the big limits would be optimal blood flow. Imagine having a huge penis but you can only get a 50% erection no matter what you try.

I too wondered this. I’m assuming if you’ve already got a good starting size, say above 7inch you’ve got more there to stretch. If you starting small, say 5inch you’ll be more limited to max length, unfortunately for me lol

Blood flow is probably never the limiting factor, at least for normal physiology. In cases of heart disease, diabetes, and general vascular issues, I would say it is then and only then.

The true limit is an individual issue with many factors that remain hidden, with only assumptions and anecdotes to “learn” from.

I think the gains go faster when your smaller and slow down. From insights on r/aJelqForYou they say that you should expect a 0.25 inch girth gain for every inch gained with manual stretches, and a 0.125 inch girth gain for every inch gained with pumps. I’ve heard that the less girth you have to start out, the easier you can gain length. I think this is because someone with less girth will increase less overall volume with an inch of length. So no matter what length focused stretches you do it will probably still affect your girth and make it progressively harder to gain. But by the time gains are almost completely stopped, I’m certain that anyone would be happy with their huge penis.

The girth hindering length gains isn’t true in my opinion. I was able to success fully able to target both and enjoyed nice gains.

It seems to me that while there are limits for each person, those limits will be a soft cap in nature rather than a hard defined limit. That boundary will be different for each individual, and I don’t think there is any way to test or determine those limits beyond trial and error.

If I’m not mistaken, gains basically come from three sources. 1) Improved EQ. 2) Stretched/elongated ligaments. 3) Micro-tears in the tunica, which prompts the body to repair it by adding collagen to fill in the tears. More tissue means more size.

There’s a hard limit to category 1. Once you reach 100% effective EQ, there’s nothing further to be gained from it. The importance of EQ will increase as you make category 3 gains, though. It is possible that a circulatory system that gives you high EQ with a smaller unit may not be up to the task of a larger unit, and may require vascular exercises or supplements to maximize and keep up.

There is some degree of limit for category 2. The ligaments can probably stretch beyond what would be useful, since stretched ligaments are only helpful to allow more buried shaft to present. Once you run out of buried shaft, extra ligament length does nothing positive. In theory you may be able to gain more here as well, as your category 3 gains progress.

Lastly, your tunica gains most likely do not have a hard cap, but rather a soft cap of sharply diminishing returns. There may not be any way to accurately determine it that however. Like with other collagen-based tissues, injuries to the tunica should repair through the deposit of additional collagen. If I’m not mistaken however, injuries to tendons and ligaments tend to be less flexible than the original tissue. It seems to me then that the more you gain through the deposit of new collagen, the less elastic you will be and the more difficult it will be to gain further. That is all an assumption but one that seems logical to me. Another interesting feature of collagen-based tissues is that the more tension the tissues are put under, the more the collagen fibers align and strengthen. This is probably what explains the phenomenon of conditioning and the need for deconditioning.

If I’ve made any faulty assumptions or my reasoning is flawed please point it out. I’m still here learning as well.

Lastly there is no way that I am aware of to increase the spongy tissue of the corpus cavernosum. I suspect that its ability to expand is indefinite enough that only in the most extreme cases would you end up stretching the tunica beyond the cavernosa’s ability to fill it though.

Interesting. So do manuals give you category 2 or 3 gains? I heard that category 2 gains will affect your erection angle, which I don’t want.

Most exercises will lead to some degree of ligament expansion. Whether it’s stretching, jelqing, or extending. Clamping and pumping should not have a major impact on ligaments.

Of manual exercises, jelqs should have the least impact on your ligaments. If you do your jelqs one-handed and keep the base of your penis secured with the other, it may further reduce stretch and strain on the ligaments. I can’t say I’ve ever really contemplated it before this.

Keep in mind, that stretching your ligaments may affect your erection angle but there’s no guarantee that it will. As your stretched ligaments allow more shaft to extend from within your pelvis, if you maintain high EQ it may not have a significant impact. It should mean you hang somewhat longer when flaccid however. It’s also the most commonly attributed source of newbie gains, so not necessarily something to scoff at.

The septum, aka “the iron cord” seems to be a limiting factor for some. It is the thick portion of the tunica between the CC chambers. Seems like there is decent promise and success using ultrasound, the costs are not too bad but there are risks.

The subject regarding the limits to potential PE gains is very ambiguous. You’ve high lighted many of the components on how gains manifest themselves. However when discussing “category one”, the development of the vascular system within the penis not only helps promote stronger / firmer erections it is also a big contributor in gaining girth. Think of the vascular system within your penis as a river with many little tributaries. When the river floods the small little streams and tributaries grow or expand and many new little streams are created. I’ve noticed a dramatic change in the vascular system of my own penis. In the beginning I could see tiny little vein capillaries that were barely visible under the skin… many looked like the size of a hair. Over time the vein structure in my penis began to grow and expand. Veins became larger and those little capillaries grew. Now those tiny little barely visible hair size capillaries are the size of a paper clip diameter, and new off shoots have developed. This has been one of the main contributors to my girth gains, and it’s why I have emphasized the importance of working on erection quality and regular Kegels. After all what good is a larger penis if you can’t get a firm erection and maintain it?

Our associate Dr. Richard Howard who has his PHD in biology wrote his thesis on “collagen remodeling”, or in layman’s terms how tissue repairs itself.
I’ve posted this before, but to put it in a nut shell his hypothesis says you can potentially gain 50% of your original erect length. For example if you start with a 6” BPEL you can potentially gain 50% or 3”. That would be a phenomenal gain that the vast majority of PE practitioners will never achieve. Keep in mind the word “potential” means you have the ability, but the ability to make such gains is predicated on a variety of other variables that are almost impossible to determine. In my opinion the number one is your level of dedication. The second is the thickness / strength of your suspensory ligament, and the third is genetics.

If think you are spot on, LGHanger!

The 50% is a very reasonable upper limit. Something feasible and logical if you think about a theoretical maximum, but mostly unachievable in practice for most people.

I assume >90% of people who start with PE will not even gain one inch in length, correct me if that is totally wrong.

From what I have read, I would say everything from 1.5-2 inches is achievable with good commitment. Everything besides 2 inches in length gets less and less likely

and needs more and more effort.

We had stats with several thousand data points on this very website 10 years ago. The 1” gainer was common. I’d say 75%, the 2” gainer was less common, I’d say 20%, the 3” gainer was not as common, say 5%. Those stats aren’t exact, but showed even in PE guys that 3” isn’t really that probably, and 2” is very hard to get, but usually attainable.

I haven’t seen any proof of any gaining tree inches. If 5% of all on Thunders were in the 3 in club that club would have 20.000 members. Don’t you think some of them proudly would show pictures to proof that? I still haven’t seen proof of even 2 in even if I belive there might be a few here with that success.

The 2 in club would have more than 80.000 members if that would be true. Witch of course it isn’t.

There was a document that long ago that showed some similar numbers. With documented photos on those who decided to share. My stats aren’t exact. 3” from what I recall is not really a realistic goal for most to shoot for, it’s not likely. Many men will gain an inch. A few odd balls won’t gain anything at all. More disciplined men with more time will gain between 1 and 2”. Past two inches is not very probably, but a few men slipped beyond this point.