Jelq Science

That is a great thread, I should have pointed you to it, my apologies.

Congrats on the gain. It seems you are paying close attention to the nuances of the jelq. This will serve you well in getting gains.

I am confused as to why you are getting spotting from a “extra soft” jelq. I have always thought there is a lot of confusion as far as how things are described. For example, what exactly is “extra soft”, “moderate”, etc.

In New Jelq City, it is my impression that cheeva is recommending a lower erection level than what I have used to great success. But it is hard to say. I think I described it in that thread.

After some months with the New Jelq City jelqs, I think there might be two kinds of them:

1. Lowest erection level jelqs that have a significant amount of stretching action to them. I use minimal lubrication when doing them. I also have to be careful as there is not as much cushioning from engorgement, it seems that I often can get sharp pains. I think it is because the tissues are delicate, and a grip that gets some stretch out of it also easily hurts the tissues. I have had good length gains from them, but have to be very careful about the sharp pains.

2. A little higher erection level that massages the deep tissues. This is at an erection level that is as plump as I can be without any rigidity. I can still bend it 45 degrees, but it is very plump. I can feel the rigidity set in at a certain point, and let the erection subside if it does. I can still jelq downward comfortably. Maintaining this erection level is difficult. Sometimes it just doesn’t work, and I have to basically abandon the workout. Sometimes it seems I have to go about 25% of the workout before my penis sort of goes on auto pilot in terms of erection. Sometimes it will just stay at the right erection level without me trying, I can think about almost whatever I want and it just sort of stays at the right level. It seems to help to be extra horny. When I am not that horny, the rigidity sets in too easily, or I can’t keep enough plumpness.

The reason I like this 2nd kind of jelq is that I am able to have a grip that massages the deep tissues. If I have rigidity, then it is like the clay has hardened, and I can’t work hard clay. I also think the rigidity causes slight injury as there is no cushioning to offset the grip.

Keep paying close attention to each jelq and exactly how it feels. This has worked well for me, very, very well. Having made 2, my latest goal is 3 inches BPEL gain. This is all from jelqing, but trying to pay close attention to the nuances of the jelq.

Great post.

How much pressure are you applying in the grip and in the stretch?

I tend to abuse my unit and use full force, I need to be a little less powerful.

That’s the thing, its very hard to describe, and I’m not coming over to demonstrate.

I apply pressure only to the sides. Less than 1/2 of my finger is “buried” into the tissue. Probably about 1/3. So about 1/3- 1/2 of the circumference of my finger is touching my penis. Does that make sense? This is assuming the “as plump as I can get and still be bendable” erection level.

When trying to get the stretching action, it is the same, but the amount of lubrication is less. I wipe it on the backs of my hands until I am getting a lot of pulling action, but still sliding. I use olive oil, start with about 1/2 teaspoon, then wipe on the back of hands as I jelq until its where I want. There is a lot of pulling on the skin when I am doing this, and it may be somewhat of a way to encourage the skin to grow, I don’t know.

Very funny EQ, that got me laughing.
I’ve consciously eased up on the pressure.
I’ll see how it works after a month or two.

Equine Rooster,

That was a great post, and really hit on why I started this thread. I was trying to figure out if a proper jelq focuses on massaging the tissue, stretching, engorging… the motion itself could lead to very different experiences depending on the subtlety of your grip or the the rigidity of your penis. There are a lot of details that people tend to gloss over when they describe the exercise.

Clearly, there must be different kinds of jelqs, and it is up to the individual to figure out what works and what does not (as it seems you have).

When I say “extra soft” I mean that my penis has no rigidity. It’s like a good hang, but less than half-mast.

Typically spotting has happened for me from over engorging and maybe applying too much pressure. I’m getting spotting with the “extra soft”, clearly without over engorging now too. I’m wondering if it might be because my grip is too tight, and maybe I’m pulling to stretch too close to, or even on the glans. My focus is very much on my ligaments when I do this exercise, so it is possible that I’m squeezing and pulling the glans, which I can’t imagine is good.

Today is my off day, so I’ll have to wait til tomorrow and the next day to test this.

I think you will get many answers if you ask guys if the jelq should be for massaging, stretching or engorging.

My humble opinion is this:

My dick seems to respond poorly to actual stretching. I have had to sort of fool it by getting some stretching action out of New Jelq City jelqs. Even then, the amount of stretching-like action is probably minimal compared to actual stretching.

The general idea I get from reading posts is that there MAY be a risk of tissue toughening from engorging where you increase the internal pressure from the inside out. I do not know if it is true. So I try to keep the internal pressure that develops at moderate levels when jelqing the way I describe as #2 in post #16. It MAY also help to have this pressure be intermittent, like for the duration of the jelq, I don’t know.

I also sometimes add a few squeezes every so often during a jelq workout. But even then I sort of pulse the pressure; squeeze, release, squeeze, release at about 1 second intervals. I try not to squeeze hard, I have learned how moderate ones should feel to me by the sensations I feel in the head of my penis.

So that leaves me with the massaging thing. I am fairly well convinced there is a massaging element involved. But it probably doesn’t do anything unless combined with the stretching and engorging action at least at light to moderate levels.

I also would add that I think the jelq technique should be changed every so often. Not often, whatever jelqs I am doing I need to do them for a stretch of several workouts, maybe even 4-6 weeks. Then change. But I might do two different kinds during the same workout out of necessity. If the erection level is not cooperating, I might change to the type of jelq is suited for the erection level it seems to want to do for that day, and try to coax it back to the erection level I want.

That’s funny. I was just thinking last night that if jelqing can focus on one of those three actions, why not do three different variations to hit all of them? The end result should be gains, I just won’t know exactly why. Unfortunately, I think the “why” is very important.

Hopefully, I can combine focuses while paying attention to make an educated guess at what’s working when and how effectively. I’ve been doing this too long to be as clueless as I am. The details are important.

Thanks for the insight, Equine.

Turns out I have definitely not been squeezing or pulling the glans. I made a special effort not to on my last workout and still accumulated minor spotting. From past experience, the spots from this exercise go away (or come VERY close) 24 hours later, so I have managed to stay on a schedule. It is however, still a little disconcerting.

I do warm up. 5-10 minutes with a rice sock.