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Long story short, i did PE for a year and two months… my gans weren’t staggering but i gained basically .5” in length… mid shaft girth almost caught up to base girth which is 6.2” to be exact…

I used a 9” ling tube by 2”… i would pack the whole tube girth wise in minutes… i seemed to hit a brick wall, no more length gains after about 7 months into PE… i did stop PE for about 4 months…

I bought another 9” tube but with a 2.25 inch diameter… lo and behold im actually seeing more length in this new tube, while in the tube… i think i missed out in gains in the past by continuing to use the smaller tube for all those months…

Nit sure the physics of how this is happening and working but ill take it!!!

If you are packing the tube fully it is time to increase size. Once you start packing the vacuum in the cylinder is no longer in contact with that part of the penis and no longer can impact it. Also once you start packing you need to keep that part of your penis and/or cylinder wall well lubed to reduce friction and allow that part of your penis to slide up the cylinder.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Wait, I thought that if you are looking for length gains in vac pump then you should pack the tube girth wise. So all the vacuum is pulling your penis only forward instead to every direction.

Am I wrong here?


"If you desire one thing for so long, it is a given that you will miss other things along the way. That is how it is... that is life."

Originally Posted by FutureBigShock
Wait, I thought that if you are looking for length gains in vac pump then you should pack the tube girth wise. So all the vacuum is pulling your penis only forward instead to every direction.

Am I wrong here?

I have the same question. I am in the same boat.


Start PE 9/14/2017

Start: 6.1 BPEL Current: 6.85 BPEL Start: 4.5 MSEG Current: 5.0

Goal : 7" BPEL 5' 7'' 165lbs

I’ll give you my view on the subject, plus the theory/conventional wisdom where applicable.

The theory says that once the tube is packed, the penis can only move in one direction, which increases length. In this situation one needs to be very cautious with vac levels as it is only contacting the glans and the glans is more sensitive than shaft.

Theory also says there are two methods of increasing length: lig stretching and cellular replication from stretching and micro tears.

My view on the forces and restrictions involved:
When the cylinder is packed, the penis attempts to move lengthward up the cylinder, which may have the potential to stretch ligs and could also stretch cells. Working against this lengthward force is the friction of the shaft against the cylinder wall. Shaft friction is a result of the penis expanding girthward and exerting force against the restricting cylinder wall. Lubrication can reduce the shaft friction (but does not eliminate it) allowing lengthward movement. Having very loose shaft skin is also helpful to moving lengthward. Too small of a cylinder diameter will also increase the shaft friction.

The question then becomes does the lengthward force offset the shaft friction force enough to allow movement? And the answer depends on the penis. Some may move easily some may not be able to move much.

A little bit of lengthward stretch could induce cellular replication while very limited shaft friction will allow lig stretch and cellular replication.

In my opinion the best way for someone who has packed the tube and now wants to focus on length is to reduce shaft friction as much as possible. Lubrication can only do so much. The next option is to reduce how much shaft is touching the cylinder, suggesting that packing the cylinder halfway (or 1/3 or 2/3) may be a better option. One would need to see how their penis responds and adjust accordingly.

Another option would be to have a cylinder diameter sized so that is just slightly being packed- enough to restrict girth growth but not small enough to substantially increase shaft friction. This is not a feasible option for most due to cost and available cylinder size limitations.

I have read that some guys recommend pumping with a silicon shaft sleeve to constrict girth movement to allow lengthward growth. If the silicon shaft does not touch the cylinder walls you would have full vac level working to stretch the ligs. Not sure how this scenario would work for cellular replication as the sleeve somewhat mimics the cylinder wall when packed.

My personal experience is that I gained almost an inch in length using an oversized cylinder. This is all likely from lig stretch. Once I started using constant heat and a better fitting cylinder, I gained an inch in girth and began packing the cylinder.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.


Last edited by 32quarters : 05-08-2021 at . Reason: Typos; added some thoughts; more typos

Originally Posted by FutureBigShock
Wait, I thought that if you are looking for length gains in vac pump then you should pack the tube girth wise. So all the vacuum is pulling your penis only forward instead to every direction.

Am I wrong here?

That is a theory, but not one I agree with. I get the best length results when I use a tube 1/4 inch larger than one I can pack and pump without a break for 25-30 minutes. Keep the pressure no higher than 5hg until you get conditioned to pumping for this long without a break. And I always pump with a heat pad wrapped around the tube.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

Oh my, that is some interesting info indeed. But I am not happy about it since I almost pack my tube girth wise, as seen in my progress thread and only in 5 weeks of small volume pumping. I was so hyped that I will pack it very soon and start gaining length and then you guys came with your experiences. Haha, back to earth I guess.


"If you desire one thing for so long, it is a given that you will miss other things along the way. That is how it is... that is life."

Originally Posted by 32quarters
I’ll give you my view on the subject, plus the theory/conventional wisdom where applicable.

The theory says that once the tube is packed, the penis can only move in one direction, which increases length. In this situation one needs to be very cautious with vac levels as it is only contacting the glans and the glans is more sensitive than shaft.

Theory also says there are two methods of increasing length: lig stretching and cellular replication from stretching and micro tears.

My view on the forces and restrictions involved:
When the cylinder is packed, the penis attempts to move lengthward up the cylinder, which may have the potential to stretch ligs and could also stretch cells. Working against this lengthward force is the friction of the shaft against the cylinder wall. Shaft friction is a result of the penis expanding girthward and exerting force against the restricting cylinder wall. Lubrication can reduce the shaft friction (but does not eliminate it) allowing lengthward movement. Having very loose shaft skin is also helpful to moving lengthward. Too small of a cylinder diameter will also increase the shaft friction.

The question then becomes does the lengthward force offset the shaft friction force enough to allow movement? And the answer depends on the penis. Some may move easily some may not be able to move much.

A little bit of lengthward stretch could induce cellular replication while very limited shaft friction will allow lig stretch and cellular replication.

In my opinion the best way for someone who wants to focus on length is to reduce shaft friction as much as possible. Lubrication can only do so much. The next option is to reduce how much shaft is touching the shaft, suggesting that packing the cylinder halfway (or 1/3 or 2/3) may be a better option. One would need to see how their penis responds and adjust accordingly.

Another option would be to have a cylinder diameter sized so that is just slightly being packed- enough to restrict girth growth but not small enough to substantially increase shaft friction. This is not a feasible option for most due to cost and available cylinder size limitations.

I have read that some guys recommend pumping with a silicon shaft sleeve to constrict girth movement to allow lengthward growth. If the silicon shaft does not touch the cylinder walls you would have full vac level working to stretch the ligs. Not sure how this scenario would work for cellular replication as the sleeve somewhat mimics the cylinder wall when packed.

My personal experience is that I gained almost an inch in length using an oversized cylinder. This is all likely from lig stretch. Once I started using constant heat and a better fitting cylinder, I gained an inch in girth and began packing the cylinder.

Makes total sence fella and what im currently experiencing… had been using a 9” tube and packing it… at 8.5” in the tube that obviously left .5” of empty length space… girth wise the tube was packed except for the glanfs… so makes sence why my gains halted pretty much at that pint to me… now that im not paicking my 2.5” except for say the first 4”, ive noticed that deeper pull… im at around 8.7”, in my new tube…

Novice here, quite confused. My cursory google search came up with nothing of consequence. What exactly is a “Ling Tube?” Should I look into one for long term? Pumping seems like it will be the next step for me this winter to work on growth, and I was considering a Hydromax as it covers length and girth. Would this “Ling Tube” be a wiser investment long term?

Originally Posted by Dr Grayson
Novice here, quite confused. My cursory google search came up with nothing of consequence. What exactly is a “Ling Tube?” Should I look into one for long term? Pumping seems like it will be the next step for me this winter to work on growth, and I was considering a Hydromax as it covers length and girth. Would this “Ling Tube” be a wiser investment long term?

You are joking right? A ling tube is a typo for a LONG tube. A 9 inch long tube.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

Originally Posted by gprent
You are joking right? A ling tube is a typo for a LONG tube. A 9 inch long tube.

Lol oh thank god there’s not another term I need to learn/memorize. Thanks lads, carry on.

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