Permanent - Temporary Increase and Decrease

I know that everybody wants to cement their gains and get to a point where they no longer need to PE. The situation that I am in right now has finally pushed me to post a thread in hopes of getting some help. I am dating an amazing girl that I love very much but she is on the looser side. I am on the smaller side with girth which doesn’t help. So here my two questions:

I have pe’d on and off for a long time now but never stuck with it. I just recently started again now that I am out of college and I have all the private time in the world. Something I noticed this time is that after a workout I am about .25” thicker in girth but this lasts only for a short while. Now the bad part. When I measure on an off day I am actually .25” smaller in girth than I was when I started. My erections feel harder and longer but a little skinnier. How could this happen. Did I over due it? Should I use some type of all day wrap or clamp to promote healing in the bigger state? Anyways you can see why this is a problem because Im trying to solve the issue with my girl by getting bigger, not smaller.

Now the second part. Right now I am just doing the newbie routine but I have consistantly done PE on and off for a couple years and never gotten any gains. What I am wondering can I do anything that will temporary increase my girth for having sex with my girl? I am not really worried about cementing any gains because I will PE everyday for the rest of my life if I have to. I know that pumping will do this but there is no way at this point in the relationship that I can let her find out about a pump. I have pumped in the past and noticed that the increase will last for an hour or two max. Sometimes her and I spend many hours together before we decide to have sex. So how could I increase my size even if it is only temporary and I have to do it every day. Any help would really be appreciated because right now the sex isn’t very good. I love her but I am afraid she will leave me since I can not satisfy her in bed.

I can’t say that I have any answers for you. However, I have started pumping regularly about a month ago (2/day @ 10hg for 15 min). A few days back I started clamping afterwards. My routine is simple:

AM
Stretch/jelq while in the shower (5-10 min)
Pump - 15min
Jelq - 5 min
Clamp - 10 min
Jelq - 5 min

PM
Pump - 15min
Jelq - 5 min
Clamp - 10 min
Jelq - 5 min

I have noticed an increase in girth that is there all day (at least in the flaccid state, I assume in the erect state as well). Night time and morning wood is amazing, it feels like someone else’s dick - not that I ever grabbed someone else’s dick before - but you know what I mean.

I would recommend you try this.

By the way, if she is loose, then it is her job to kegel and try to tighten up for you.

Thanks for your response. Your routine is similiar to one I was thinking of starting. I see that you started with a size very close to mine now. What size pump are you using? Also your signature says that you mustered up a 5” girth. Was that with the routine you’ve used the past month or something else? Thanks again.

supes

supes83,

Virtually all of those gains came from jelqing and within a year of starting (2001). Since then, not much has happened. I started pumping/clamping to break through this plateau I’m on. This routine has added about 1/4-3/8” in girth and 1/4” or less in erect length, but 1/4-1/2” in flaccid length. Since I just started, I am not screaming victory yet, however, it “feels” promising.

I use a Kaplan pump with a tube that measures 2” inner diameter and 9 1/2” in total length. I would recommend this pump for two reasons. First, it has a gauge. Second, you can remove the hose after you have “pumped” and leave the tube on (giving you a little more manuverability).

I have also found that after I gain some girth, my length decreases, and gaining length takes away from girth. It is not surprising if you think about it. Eventually, if you work both, you can gain in both. Clamping gives me a temporary increase in girth. It is probably mostly fluid build up under the skin, but it gives it a fatter feeling for a while.

Mr. Avg,

Perhaps I wasn’t very clear. I did not lose anything in length since starting this new routine. Try this:

Girth (both flaccid & erect): + 1/4-3/8”
Flaccid Length: +1/4-1/2”
Erect Length: >1/4”

To me, the extra girth that came after I started clamping doesn’t seem like fluid under the skin. Rather, it seems pretty hard. I know what you mean though, because when I only pumped, the increase in girth felt a little mushy.

But then, I won’t take a break from this to check on true results for a few months. Until then, I’m just guessing.

By the way, the gains that came earlier from jelqing alone are permanent. On several occassions I suffered various injuries that took from 3mo to 1 year to heal. During those recovery periods I refrained from PE and yet did not lose anything.

Supes83,

Are you close enough to her to mention kegeling? After our first child, my wife mentioned to me that she began kegeling - more for future urinary control than for current sex.

Its actually kind of early on in the relationship. So I don’t feel comfortable asking her. Basically she has the upper hand in the relationship. She doesn’t abuse it in any way, but she’s highly wanted by a lot guys. She’s smart, dropdead gorgeous, and funny as hell. She says I’m one of the most genuine guys she has ever met and that I can always make her smile. It’s like I have everything she wants except the girth, HA HA. She is 20 so while I’m sure she’s attracted to the qualities I have there are guys hitting on her constantly and she’s at an age where it’s easy to wander.

I wasn’t refering to your routine I was referring to supes83’s original comment:

Supes, Are you assuming your girl wants a bigger dick, or did she actually say something to you about it? If she is complaining about your dick size, that sounds like trouble in your relationship and probably is a backhanded way of insulting you and distancing herself from you.

Also, can you give more details about why you think the sex is not very good and why you think you can not satisfy her? Unless you are very very small, you should be able to make her happy in bed, and the solution may be found in other ways besides hoping for a bigger dick.

Supes83,

“Basically she has the upper hand in the relationship.”

I take issue with this statement. In my opinion, too many men feel this way. They hook up with a woman they find sexy, attractive, intelligent etc etc, then feel lucky the woman is with them because she is of such a higher calibur. Well, you are lucky, but not for the reason you think. Set the whole dick thing aside for a moment. You are lucky because you possess the qualities that a sexy and attractive woman is looking for in a man. The proof is right there in front of you.

Women like it when a man can make them smile. They like to be taken care of emotionally - not just sexually. Perhaps there are hot studs making passes at her everyday, but so far, she hasn’t bitten. Most of those guys are just cardboard cutouts of some glamour boy they saw in GQ. They’re cool, they’re Metro Men! But, they don’t possess that inner depth a woman really wants. Remember, she called you “genuine”. That means a lot.

She doesn’t have the upper hand, neither do you.

As to the dick thing, if she brought up girth concerns, then the topic of kegels is open for discussion. Perhaps even PE, but I would hold off on that.

“Unless you are very very small, you should be able to make her happy in bed, and the solution may be found in other ways besides hoping for a bigger dick.” MrAvg

I agree with MrAvg. You stated earlier that you are around the size I started at. I never had problems satisfying the women I slept with. There are so many things to do to a woman during foreplay, that by the time penetration comes around, orgasm is a certainty. “Quickies” aren’t really for us men of modest penis size.

Sorry I have been away for a while. But I can say that I agree with you guys and that you are right I am lucky. The more I think about it she doesn’t really have the upper hand but I feel like there are so many more options for her. No matter, these past few days were spent with her and I am 100% sure that she is in it for the long haul with me. She has never once come out and said anything regarding my size. I know that she has been with a fair number of other men and she is a very sexual person. In my previous relationships I have always been able to get a girl off through sex and I have been lucky enough to have good sex lives with each of them. This girl is just different. I know she hasn’t gotten off since we’ve had sex even though we’ve only done it a few times. I think my thought process was: I’ve always satisfied women with my technique, now I don’t seem to be doing it with her so it must be my size. I don’t know. After reading your comments I kind of feel stupid. Ultimately, I think it will just take a little time before I can figure out exactly what she wants in bed. In the meanwhile, I’m going to consistantly PE in hopes of more girth. I mean it can’t hurt, right? Thanks again.

Exactly!

Yeah when i first started clamping i lost a little EG after the first few times, i think its basically come back but its left me barely robbed of my 8x6, im somewhere around 5.9 midshaft now, i just need to get more into clamping and i know it will come back with gains.

Are these gains permanent? If I stop doing them, will I shrink back again?

Any gains you make has a chance to disappear unless you cement your gains.