Sceptical about all of this.

I am pretty sure that the Thunder’sPlace member-insanity correlation climbs with length of membership. Whether becoming/staying a member causes insanity or insanity being a prerequisite for sticking around is not for me to say. I strongly suspect that one or two of the moderators are sane.

We have had credible sounding reports from members of doing light PE and getting messed up. But it is very much like the “risk” of working out/exercising. Or not wearing a seat belt because you read a story of some guy that didn’t wear one getting thrown clear of his car as it went over a cliff.

The vast majority of injuries (99.9%) are due to a n00b deciding that they know more about PE than Thunder’sPlace.

I’m Sanicus.

I always STFU, thats how I haven’t gotten banned yet lol. Once in a while I’ll share whats on my mind though :)

Too good to be true? No. We must work a lot to gain.

At least someone figured out how to spell “skeptical”..

Don’t believe every thing you hear from doctors (yes, I AM a doctor). We tend to offer opinions which aren’t always absolutes.

>At least someone figured out how to spell “skeptical”..<

That would be the American spelling. The British spelling is “sceptical”.

I’m 52 this year and suffer occasionally from ED which is difficult for my wife and I, but we talk about things and even though I’ve never spoke about PE to her, it certainly has improved my EQ and without a doubt the extra inch of length has helped too. Funny that she has never mentioned the extra size though.

To those who doubt the effectiveness of PE have only one real recourse; to begin the newbie program and stick with it for several months, otherwise they are as much use to themselves as the doctors they are quoting to the PE community. There are no words to convince the sceptic. He has made his mind up and is only looking for proof of his position.

Skeptics are a natural part of human psychology, and much like any other fear of success, helps the person to not have to try and fail/succeed. Having said that, if this sort of behaviour didn’t exist, there would be a lot more competition in all fields.

I have heard it said all my life that 80% of success is showing up, of the remaining 20%, 80% of that is hard work, and the remaining 4% is a fistfight.

I certainly see that on the soccer field, in business and relationships. Thankfully there is little of that here. The moderators manage to get ahead of the curve before things escalate.

>Skeptics are a natural part of human psychology, and much like any other fear of success, helps the person to not have to try and fail/succeed. Having said that, if this sort of behaviour didn’t exist, there would be a lot more competition in all fields.<

That’s a weird definition of scepticism. Science starts from scepticism and it seems to do all right in describing our world.

Interestingly, one of my favourite sceptics/pop scientists, is Ben Goldacre. In his book Bad Science, where he rips through a great deal of what we are told is science by newspapers and the like he also mentions that there is evidence that penis enlargement is possible. The fucker is it’s as an aside and I can’t find his sources for that (he lists most of his sources through the book).

"Since this may be your only opportunity to learn about the evidence on penis enlargement, it’s worth mentioning that there is, in fact, some evidence that stretching devices can increase penis size"

http://www.bads cience.net/2006 … ogs-old-tricks/

I guess his source are the very same extender studies we have linked around here many times.

Commercial studies? I would doubt that. He tends to cite papers from peer reviewed journals. Could explain the reason for his coyness though, I guess.

I will make a distinction. There are sceptics and there are those who reserve judgement.

It seems to me that sceptics fall into the “poo pooing” position taken by the status quo who, when presented with something new, will scoff and guffaw until the presenter goes away, much like asking a medical doctor whether PE works.

I am a hypnotherapist and local doctors will not refer their patients to me for stop smoking, weight loss, phobias etc. As they generally feel that what I offer doesn’t work, that it’s dangerous or whatever point they can make to justify their position, even though several of my clients have specifically asked to be referred.

And badscience.net makes good reading, though I will correct one thing you said about science by saying that science does a good job of describing the effects of what our world does via tools and measuring devices after the fact, but does little to explain what is really going on. Science does very little to help us understand what the fuck our dicks respond best to, and why some dicks grow rapidy under duress, while others resist all petitions to get bigger, so we give up science and do our own work in our bathrooms and basements in spite of the caveats from the medical profession.

If anything I would say that scientific method is near useless in predicting what will happen to any one dick setting about the lengthening process. And statistics does us little better in finding what the average dick size is and where we fit in size-wise in the greater scheme of things.

So we are pretty much alone in our quest for the holy penis, that vaunted 8x6 or whatever goal we set for ourselves, except for Thunder’s Place of course.

What would we do with out it?

And Memento, I truly like science, and it’s handmaiden technology, the scientific garden where we get to play with bright shiny toys made by scientists and engineers, it’s just that I don’t think science is good at the big questions, and my not-so-big one that grew an inch in less than one year, and now barely budges!

There is another good book out there titled “Denialism” that revolve kind of around the same subject. It tackles some major subjects where the masses choose to believe what isn’t true because we don’t want to believe what is true. A way simplified example from the book is modern farming with all it’s chemicals is a completely bad thing and people want organic. The book points out how many people in the world would have starved without the increased production of food through modern farming. Interesting read.

I think that’s an important distinction that is very commonly glossed over in our modern society; but I would call the people who reserve judgement the skeptics. The others aren’t just saying there isn’t any proof of PE, they’re denying that PE is even possible; as you say they are poo-pooing the idea, that’s more than being merely skeptical in my books.

a-unit,

I think you would be hard pressed to describe physics as ‘describing effects…after the fact’, in fact that seems a very limited view of science as a whole. Yeah, if there were large scale studies of penis enlargement techniques, they would be documenting facts as they progress but that would be done to allow models to be built to predict. Climate change science is almost entirely based on models attempting to describe the future, using historical data as the basis for the models. Prediction is the bread and butter of science. Just think of theoretical physics, where the theory often precedes the data that backs it up.

In the UK, there are doctors who refer to all sorts of alternative medicines, often with no medical evidence for their efficacy. Maybe they take into account the power of placebo and refer on that basis. So, I think your experience of not receiving referrals is probably local and my understanding was that there was evidence for the efficacy of hypnotherapy in the same way that there is evidence for the efficacy of mindfulness based cognitive therapy.

You have to be careful though not to dismiss them entirely; with the farming example there is a body of evidence showing that many of the common pesticides we use today are having negative effects on our environment and on us. And in many cases these have a more detrimental affect on men then on women because they act as endocrine disruptors, mimicking the effect of estrogen. For example, there’s evidence to link increased pesticide exposure to decreases in the concentration of sperm in men.

Does our environment affect our fertility? Some examples to help reframe the question - PubMed

And another study showing men living in rural communities with high pesticide exposure having only half the sperm concentration in their semen as men in low pesticide exposure urban environments.

Geographic differences in semen quality of fertile U.S. males. - PMC