1 on-2 off

I noticed in my in box that people here have been trying to find out how my routine went last month. Unfortunately, Big Al and his moderators have thrown me off the list without providing me any explanation.

During the month of December, I gained 1/4” doing a one day on-one day off routine. My session consisted of jelqing for a half hour and stretching for fifteen minutes.

Some might respond to this saying, “If you gained 1/4” doing such a small amount of work, you could double your gains if you worked twice as hard.”
This is not the case. I have tried extended sessions and, for months, they produced no gains. I worked just as hard, if not harder, than any of the big gainers, and was not rewarded for my efforts. It is my hypothesis that more rest days and shorter sessions are responsible for my growth.
Here are my list of observations:

1. There is no evidence that a routine with few, or no, rest days is needed to produce optimal gains.

2. There is no reason for believing enlargement exercises must be performed on sucessive days.

3. Multiple daily sessions might hinder growth.

4. No one is justified to say that a session must exceed a half hour to produce optimal growth.

5. Extended routines, long sessions, or multiple sessions may be responsible for injuries and/or plateaus.

This month I am trying a one on-two off routine. It will consist of a half hour jelqing and fifteen minutes stretching. If I gain at all, I will try a one on-three off routine for the month of November.

Ooops, I made a type-o. I meant to say,

“During the month of SEPTEMBER, I gained 1/4” doing a one on-one off routine.”

Good quality gains man. I like the idea of you lessening your routine even further. You seem to be going for total efficiency. I’m curious to see what happens. I’ve never stepped below one on / one off except occassionally.

Good luck with those gains and let us know what happens this month please.

Doug/Walter

You got kicked off pe-forums because you couldn’t respect other peoples rights to believe in whatever the length work out they want to believe in and would get nasty. Some of the mod’s including myself agreed with what you were saying just not the way you were saying it. Before you start fighting with the members and mods on this board you might want to look at the list of mod’s and members you will see a lot of the same names. Welcome to thunders leave your shootin iron at the door.

Dino

Doug/walter,

>I noticed in my in box that people here have been trying to find out how my routine went last month. Unfortunately, Big Al and his moderators have thrown me off the list without providing me any explanation. <

I believe it was because of personal attacks against 2in2002 and Pan. You seem to have problems playing well with others.

Here is a post that I made replying to your last post when you were banned. It might answer some of your questions.

The fact is, many people have been MODERATELY successful with a limited one on, one off, or one on, two off routine. Others have not gained anything on this. The limited routine in far from new. It was on the first PEforum board when I got there.

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doug,

> My ideas might be unpopular with the rest of the group, but my objective is to find a better way to increase the size of my penis.<

It is not your ideas but rather your method of delivery of the ideas. The ideas are not new. In fact, they are the standard. If you have read anything here at all, you have seen the phrase, “everyone is different”. I have written it many times. In the five plus years this board and previous have been around, this has been a standard theme.

Most guys have gained with much less time than I spent.

>I am not here to make any friends.<

You are succeeding.

>When selecting a routine many of us will ask, “Whose routine made gains?” Since our goal is getting the possible most gains we can, we might say, “Who is the ‘biggest gainer?’” The individual will, then, tailor his own routine to something like that of the big gainer, believing that he can reproduce the results. <

Personally, I have never recommended my routine to anyone. Far from it. The only reason I did what I did was because I had the privacy time, and was working while I did it. The only actual time I sacrificed was in making the hangers to use. The hang time was done in conjunction with other activities.

>This approach is flawed for the following reasons:
a. The amount of gains reported by the alleged big gainer might be false.
b. The big gainer might have gained the same amount, or even more, by doing less.
c. The routine prescribed by the big gainers might potentially result in injury.<

All of this is true, and could be true for a small gainer or a non-gainer.

>Should we be in any rush to follow the lead of a big gainer who hangs for, say, eight hours a day if it were known that less time could induce the same or a greater amount of growth?

Absolutely not. <

True.

>The big gainer has worked over 500 hours to produce the same gain as someone who trained less than 200 hours. <

This is more a question of the PEers time allocation requirements. If one cares to spend more time PEing than is absolutely needed, who cares accept him? It would be nice to know exactly the number of hours and amount of force needed to make a certain gain, but one thing is clear, it is an individual thing. No two guys will gain at the same rate using the same routine.

>If you look through the threads on this board, you will notice some of them address injuries. There only two big gainers on this board.<

This is false, depending on what you consider a big gainer. Setting the standard at two inches within a year or so, which should be a big gainer in anyone’s book, there have been dozens over the years. Currently, on this board and Thunders there are many including, but not limited to: Me, DLD, Lam, Yguy, lil, boxcar, merlin, JAP, ledzep, jelktoid, FOW,and cutemickey. Forgive me if I left out anyone.

The above mean absolutely nothing. They all used different routines and methods. However, they were dedicated and persistant. The only thing that can be construed from their results is; they were probably predisposed to easy gains. They are the upper end of the bell curve.

Another similar list could be made of guys who have had little or no gains. They are at the lower end of the bell curve. With moderate work, most guys seem to produce between one-half to one inch within the first year.

>There are over a dozen individuals that are injured. Ask yourself, is eight hours a day of hanging weight exceeding fifteen pounds a safe approach to PE? <

First, you have to define “injury”. Spots, fluid buildup, etc are probably not injuries per se. I have not seen dozens of true injuries. In fact, not even a dozen.

Second, I only know of one individual who is hanging even close to eight hours per day and is not using fifteen pounds. But once again, the time issue is his alone to consider.

Considering time PEing, there are probably only two absolutes as relates to gains. One, no time will equal no gains. Extended time will probably not reduce gains, but may increase the chance of injury. Everything in between contains a million variables.

>Lastly, what evidence does the big gainer present to show he has gained at all?<

For each PEer, the only proof lies within his own gains.

>Should you be expected to believe everything you hear without question?<

No.

> If the big gainer shows you a picture of post-workout gains, the thought should occur to you that it is a photo of someone else. The only gain you can be certain of is the one you have measured yourself. <

True

>I can imagine hanging over 10-14 hours a week and jelqing over an hour a day for four months because I have done it.<

This is false. You started hanging at least after June 20th. At most, you have hung for three months which is not an extensive test of effectiveness. Further, after your initial questions to Dance, you presented no questions or problems concerning your routine or methods. Perhaps there was something that you did or did not do which affected your gains.

> You would think that if an alleged big gainer gained 4”+ in a year using such rotines, I would have something to show for it.<

This is patently false. Ask SS4jelq. Further, I assume you are refering to Lam gaining 4+ inches within a year. I think a lot of his gains were from regaining lost length. Perhaps not. But he is close to sixty years old.

>I gained nothing. Instead of recommending more rest days, the members of this list suggested more work. It wasn’t until cut my routine back to one day on-one day off that I saw any growth. now, who is to say that one day on-four days off is not enough to grow?<

That is true. One must tailor his routine to his own parameters.

>If one enjoys doing in six hours what he might be able to do in fifteen minutes, then so be it.<

True. Another absolute: Nobody will ever come up with a regimen which will suit even a majority of PEers.

>I should not have to tip-toe around people’s feelings and be under threat of moderation when posting here.<

As long as there are no personal attacks.

Bigger

walter,

>1. There is no evidence that a routine with few, or no, rest days is needed to produce optimal gains.<

There is anecdotal evidence, from the reporters on the two boards, that for most guys, the more you work, the more gains you receive. If you believe the guys posting here, there is no doubt about it.

If you have read all the posts on both boards, this should be clear.

>2. There is no reason for believing enlargement exercises must be performed on sucessive days.<

There is also no reason for believing they should not.

>3. Multiple daily sessions might hinder growth.<

Or they might not.

>4. No one is justified to say that a session must exceed a half hour to produce optimal growth. <

Or that a session of a half hour or less will produce any gains at all.

>5. Extended routines, long sessions, or multiple sessions may be responsible for injuries and/or plateaus. <

Simple routines, short sessions, and single sessions may be responsible for injuries and/or plateaus.

>This month I am trying a one on-two off routine. It will consist of a half hour jelqing and fifteen minutes stretching. If I gain at all, I will try a one on-three off routine for the month of November.<

Good luck.

Bigger