An Abrupt Size Loss

1) Connective tissue can only stretch a tiny amount, past which you get failure, or second degree strain.

2) I agree that both processes occur, however strain is a minor factor (and should be avoided).

3) Hanging is not a process of strain, but an escalating arms race with dick fortification. You will note that hangers do not start out with heavy weights to get that strain, rather they start low and slowly increase. :hanger:

4) Ideally, you would want to be in the sweet spot of minimal fortification… this is why ADSing is revolutionary.

5) Yes, there are other tissues in the dick, not discussed for simplicity’s sake, and because they have much less of a structural role.

I’m not “self loathing.” But if you’re as proud as you try to convey, my comments should mean nothing to you. I don’t think there’s a better country on earth. I also think that many Americans have become fat, lazy, greedy pieces of shit. No contradiction, no self loathing.

And as SG has said, and is well fucking aware of, these kind of comments don’t belong in Main.

(1) You’ve referenced plastic deformation of inert objects, I’m speaking of living tissue - huge difference.

(2) Regarding DNA being altered by radiation or chemicals, I never referenced “constructive” change - merely “change.” You added the adjective “constructive.” Regarding those agents, however, they are very powerful in their effects.

(3) And regarding, “Cells that make that matrix can both divide in response to stress and create more matrix, ultimately resulting in more dick. Plastic deformation has little to do with growth.” you failed to explain why I retained so much of my size for 3 years after the stresses of PE were completely removed (I suppose you don’t have an explanation). If you’ve ever worked out with weights, you’d know that you can’t retain the increased size beyond about 3-4 weeks off, cold turkey…let alone 3 years.

You’re certainly free to disagree me - and I’m free to point out that you’ve failed to explain why my (large) gains lasted 3 years, then began to fade…you’ve merely disagreed. Okay.

1: You can get much more stretch if you apply consistent heat and keep erection level lower than 60%.

2: Much less strain if you use consistent frequent heat.

3: I like traction.

4: Perhaps we need to dig into these lesser know structures.

5: Oh, hanging is good the way you describe it would be safer on the penis.

I have never taken three years off, but I know guys that have and they maintain much more than you would think. I have a buddy that we set the college football squat record with and he has not lifted on legs for well over 10 years, his legs are probably still bigger than most college football players.

I have taken 3 to 4 weeks off many times before. If I maintain my diet or increase in take, I can easily maintain the size and strength for that period of time.

Also, some body parts loose size slower….Calves, Forearms, Hands (yes hands). I would assume that these muscles continue to receive some workout while others receive very little. Would not your penis continue to do some “work outs” due to normal erections and use, thus slowing the rate of decrease?

Well, I maintained all but 1/8” EG & EL after 3 years. The losses have increased during the past several months.

I was never particularly strong in the squat, but I used to full-squat 500 - routinely - in the bucket, ass to the floor…no squat suit, no knee wraps, no belt. Even 2-3 years out, with no training, I could still squat 405 - that’s more than guys who actively train (but still 100 lbs less than what I did).
I haven’t hit the gym since 1996…and, 12 years out, I still have larger-than-average thighs.
Just don’t see what this has to do with the subject.

As I’ve stated on a number of occasions, those losses usually commence in 3-6 weeks. During periods where I’d obviously overtrained, after a much needed 2-week break, I actually got stronger. A 3-week break is probably the bare minimum of time where loss might occur. I didn’t begin to lose cock size for 3 years - not 3 weeks.

Nothing that we do with the penis - erections, urinating, masturbating, intercourse, etc. - can even remotely approach the intensity of PE. So, No, it would not still be getting “workouts.”

You brought up the 3 to 4 weeks, I would attest that any loss of size or strength is either due to diet changes, mental, or coordination loss. Keeping muscle size after 3 to 4 years with little additional work is possible and likely.

It was your analogy.

16 year olds?

50% to maintain is a good rule of thumb. I guess, you have more certainty than most.

As I said before, I think stretching (lack there of) could be more of a cause than anything. Stretch out your ligaments for a couple of weeks and see if the length returns.

My question has always been:

If someone doubles the volume of his penis without producing any more cells, has he made the size of each individual cell twice as large as it was before?

Or is this too simplistic?

Please note that this is not an argumentative comment. I honestly wonder. Perhaps I am posting above my experience grade, but I’ll click “post” anyway.

So, if you’re not making any more gains, why not train once every 28 months? It would save time & money. The problem with what you “attest” is that it is in complete contradiction to the research of sports medicine regarding the time period of delayed-onset decompensation following a cessation of training. That’s all.

For you to say this, I imagine you “squat” like some of the guys I’ve seen in the gym: knees wrapped so tight they can’t bend their legs without a huge weight on their backs, feet wide, torso bent in half, bar halfway down their backs, ass way out, actually “squatting” about 4” before they stop…3” above parallel, LOL.

I did olympic-style “high bar” squats (up on the traps), torso erect, all the way down in the bucket…no knee wraps at all. Sorry, but I knew guys who “squatted” (if you will) 550 lbs…[their version]…but couldn’t hit a 405 the way I did.

You probably know all about that. :)

Actually, I don’t think he’s done either (hyperplasia or hypertrophy). I believe I doubled my volume without doubling my mass - only increasing the area. Their would, of course, be greater blood volume circulating.

How could this be? Plastic deformation. Consider that I stretched the soft & connective tissues.

If you blow up a balloon, it more than doubles in size - more than quadruples - but it has no more mass, does it?

I suspected this for quite some time, but a conversation with a physician led me to realize that we’re doing damage - we’re actually “thinning” some of the structures (extensive lab testing would have to be done to confirm this of course).

If there is some “bridging” or “remodelin” after a tissue is deformed to a certain degree, it might be collagen or even some type of mini scarring on a microscopic level.

I think the deformation you talked about with your physician definitely happens, but it is a factor of intensity and occurs at different rates for the different tissues in the penis. I would guess that the lower the rate of deformation to tissue growth (healing?), the more permanent the changes.

I just wonder if there is an intensity were there is no deformation that can still promote growth? Or is some deformation necessary? Can gains be more consistent at that level instead of the rapid slowing of the rate most people see?

None of that seems to answer why you saw sudden atrophy after so long. Is the atrophy directly proportional to the deformation that is now fully healing? Is there some other age-related phenomenon happening? Could this be a symptom of another anatomical change that is causing your penis to retract instead of shrinking?

Are you losing both girth and length?

Also if I recall correctly, his gains were from pumping alone, which would at least partially explain the loss.

I’m also somewhat skeptical that what he claimed was true. He claimed to be 7” in girth from pumping alone. If he got girth gains so easily from pumping what was he doing at this forum in the first place?

Also, I don’t think I’ll ever quite PE 100%. At least to be safe and try to maintain what you’ve gained why not do some light jelqing every other day? I think quitting 100% is a bad idea.

This is my experience:

I have known my friend since we were both teens, he was the first person I ever heard the word “jelqing” from. I had never heard of it nor had I even thought about PE in general. Nature gave me a 5.5” long penis (erect) with about 4” girth and I’ve never really been bothered or unsatisfied with my size.

My friend however, was quite obsessed with penis size, I never asked him where he learned jelqing from and I really wasn’t even paying attention when he explained how it was done. I figured it was BS. My friend’s penis was about 9” long and 6” thick erect. If you couldn’t tell, we can talk candidly about pretty much anything and don’t have any hangups. Basically he proved to me how big it was by showing me. Needless to say, I was impressed, it was almost twice as long as my penis. Still I wasn’t sold on jelqing, I honestly wasn’t even paying attention, I figured it was just some genetic French/Scottish thing.

However, over the past half-year, I started to get curious about PE. It happened by accident, I was reading articles on the web and came across a blog about a penis extender. Even though I’ve never been bothered by my size, I can’t say I wasn’t curious about becoming bigger. I started reading more and rediscovered jelqing. I’ve been reading techniques, exercise regimens, etc. And I came across this forum which has provided me 80% of my information. I hope to be able to share personal information with future people who come to this forum who are curious about PE. First regarding my friend.

We’ve been close friends for over a decade now and over the years, I’ve seen his penis size fluctuate. He’s jelqed for a few years then took off for a few years and he hasn’t jelqed for a while now. When he stopped jelqing his penis shrunk to 6” erect and recently has remained that size. He used to have a reputation among the ladies for his huge penis, but not anymore. I don’t mention it or kid him about it because he’s moved on in his life in terms of obsessing over his penis. He always has a girlfriend so they obviously don’t care. But my main point is that jelqing gains are NOT permanent and they do not cement. I’ve been reading posts about it and that is just not my experience. My friend has jelqed since he was kid and he did have a huge penis at various points in his life, but once he stopped, his penis totally shrank. Not a little, A LOT. He used to double fist his penis and there was still shaft and head, now only one hand.

Ironically I have started jelqing and now we are almost the same size. I have gained almost a quarter inch length and a tiny bit in girth. So I am now a believer. Yes, jelqing works, I see measurable gains. I jelq 5 days a week, do the warm up and warm down and it’s so damn time consuming I’m not sure it’s worth it, but it’s working. I also know though, once I stop jelqing, I’m going to go back to my original size. I hate to break it to you guys, but PE is lifelong if you want to keep your gains. Honestly though, I can’t say that it’s a bad thing. It’ll be interesting to see if I can get myself to 7 inches, but once I get there, who knows if I’ll even want to stay that big. When my friend’s cock was at it’s biggest, he was always talking about it, people would talk about it, and it pretty much defined him. It’s all sort of silly now that we’re older.

Hey SmallWonder, not to take the thread off topic but do you know any more details of your friends PE training, like how long would his jelq sessions last, if he took any rest days, did any other exercises like stretching etc. Thanks