Originally Posted by machtenx
I think the only way to be commercially successful in making a hanging device is to go mainstream. I was actually considering it, writing down some ideas and a rough business plan a while ago. I kind of scrapped the idea, but you know I always scrap my ideas, and then I see them on TV. Captain, I understand what you are talking about with a more visual oriented website, but would the goal of it be to inform people about PE? to progress PE? I’m curious because I love ideas that change the way we think about things today.
I firmly believe that PE will become mainstream within the next 10 years. Our society is changing and it will become increasingly open to PE.
Success with business PE in my opinion, lies in the marketing technique and proof that PE works.
Then I considered all those who have worked so hard with no return other than the satisfaction of helping others. Let’s say I started a PE business, sold a lot of hangers, how would I reward those who have given me something to sell? royalties? a share in the business?
These are ideas I’d love to discuss with you fellows. We are in fact an underground society here, what is the consensus on this board about PE becoming mainstream? good? bad? don’t care? I’m curious
Mach-
Before this thread degenerates any further (I promise it will) I’ll take you up on a few of those points because I’ve done a lot of thinking about these issues recently.
I don’t want to get too deeply into the “Hanger Business” end of your post because I’m dead set on moving as far away from that as possible. Among the many valuable lessons Bib left us with one of the more salient was that selling devices like this is 99% hassle 1% reward - 0% profit.
I think someone like Memento or another tech-savy member could give a pretty good talk on why a system like Linux will probably in the end replace Windows as the predominant OS in PC’s. I think therein lies a good analogy as to where NPE - and in this case - specifically PE devices like hangers will also go. The ever-increasing availability and everyday/anytime accessibility of information will see to it that profit will be unlikely to hold and maintain a large presence in NPE. Keep in mind, though that this theory only works if NPE remains (as I think it will) a permanent subculture due to the sensitive nature of its motivation: Male perceived inadequacy.
No doubt - men will spend a LOT of money to get large. Worthless pills priced at $100.00 for a months supply sell big. But that hoax is a time limited thing. Some asshole will pull in a shit-ton of money for a time, but had better spend it fast or hide it well in this class-action lawsuit happy culture of ours.
While real PE - the discipline we all know works - will undoubtedly grow until hitting a critical mass it will also find a legitimacy we still haven’t experienced yet. But I hold a strong certainty that it will not become “mainstream” and therefor the odds are still in favor of profit never catching a strong wind.
If anything an ADS device that works, works well, and truly is stealth will do very well in the PE market. But even that, as we have learned here already, can be slapped together extremely inexpensively and all without the hassle of credit cards and brown paper packages sitting on your front stoop waiting for you to arrive home.
Which brings me back to the idea of people like you and I and others making it our goal to spread the word - and even better make available to as wide an audience the innovations and raw ideas that only people like we, the devoted PE community, can possibly give birth to; we are far more immersed in this than any guy in a lab coat fucking around with weight tension and lig stress. We do this on a daily basis - some of us for years, and some of us are restless gadget freaks who see a bottle opener and think “Hmmm…you know what…?”
So I believe that as long as information is more and more available to a bigger and more sophisticated audience, and the bulk of that information and it’s advance remains where it is - here at places like Thunder’s Place - the likelihood of profit (and by that I mean big profit) will be a far off concern - or desire, depending upon ones objective.
-Cap
BTW- for a very crude example of what I mean when I say I’d like to explore different and unconventional approaches to relating information look at the gif in my preceding post.
Could there ever be a more clear and concise example of my theory that Alan Hale and Aldous Huxley are the same person?
Words would do it no justice :)