Cemented gains, and time.

It’s just a thought, but I think it’s worth at least a brief discussion.

Ok, could it be possible that someone who has taken 2 years to gain lets say 3/4th’s of an inch in length or girth for that matter/ would his gains more likely be cemented, as opposed to someone who has gained the same, in lets say, 6 months to a year?

I would think thats the case.

I’ve never PE’d for more than a 3-4 weeks at a time, and always find that I make losses in the few weeks after I quit. When when I start back I rapidly regain them plus a little bit more each time.

Sounds interesting Shiver, anyone else?

From what I understand, theoretically speaking, yes, the person that performed PE for two years would have a better chance of cementing gains than the six month to a year range example. The longer you do something like this, the better the chances are that you can keep or even gain more of your penis size. Genetics play a large role in determining the rate of success as well as the rate of atrophy (not sure if this is the right word considering the penis is not a muscle, but you get the point) of penile tissue that was built. My advice is to never completely stop PE and go on a healthy maintenance program once your goals are reached.

This is true, I would be afraid to stop, and watch all my hard earned gains go down the drain!

Sounds like good advice to me.

Shiver, mind posting a quick summary of your routine and how much you’ve gained over your PE career?

I think you’d be right in assuming this. I am just going by my theory that I posted here hyyprr - Veins and Gains that fast gains are more from increased circulation than from major tissue expansion/growth. Therefore its feasible that with really quick gains they would be more susceptible to loss because once PE is stopped circulation would gradually return to a lower state. Slow gains, I think, are made by gradual tissue expansion and regrowth which shouldn’t really go away when you stop PEing. Then again this is all just me and my crazy ideas.

Started around 1999-2000 with the Big Al site. I always assumed that I was an average 6”, so it came as a great shock to find that when I measured I was more like 5.5-5.75” FBPSL. I started the routines and got a quick 0.25” in a couple of weeks but nothing after that. Came back to it about 6 months later and did another few weeks to gain another 0.25”. From there until last summer I never really had a regular routine any consequently never really had much gains. I bought various tools like the Jez, power jelq etc, but none of them were what I was looking for. The jez is a torture device, and I had some near misses with the PJ where it would jump the rollers. Eventually it broke, and when I emailed the company they said that if I bought another then they would upgrade it at half price when the new one came out. I decided to order a couple of can lifter type tongs and replace it that way, but it wasn’t much better. (The new one doesn’t seem to have improved that weakness either).

So last summer I started reading up on the science behind it, and with a few other guys here (notably Cya at 8) we did some serious study and formulated some ideas. I started at this point to document my gains in a spreadsheet as I found that the mind can play all kinds of tricks on you regarding what your last measurement was. I made a rice sock, then progressed to a heat pad. I got some quick gains with that, though progress was short lived. Then I moved onto using topicals in an attempt to get the hormonal route working. I read about the use of Androgel, but couldn’t source it in the UK. I went to a roid dealer and bought 3x5ml vials of Testosterone suspension, and with a bit more study created my own carrier. I saw some small gains at this time too, but again it was short lived so probably unrelated to the transdermal. The PE with a combination of heat and the transdermal Testosterone took me from 7” FBPSL to 7 3/8” in precisely 14 days. I did no PE for 16 days after that (can’t remember why as I didn’t log it) and found when I measured I was now 7 1/2” (BPEL was lagging at 6 1/2”). For the next 24 days I did topical 3Alpha which added another 1/8” in the first 3 days but nothing for the rest. That got me to 7 5/8” FBPSL, 7” BPEL and 5 1/2”G (though I now suspect some girth was edema). I went on holiday at that point and never bothered with PE until July this year.

In July this year I had been reading up on infrared heat and ordered a Thermotex IR platinum heat pad (which I think is fantastic btw). I measured before starting and had regressed to 7 1/4” FBPSL, 5 1/4”G, and though I didn’t record the BPEL since I know it reliably follows a few weeks behind for me, it was probably smaller too. With the thermotex I did 30 mins heating followed by 3 x 30 second stretches each day - and nothing else! In 14 days I went from 7 1/4” to 7 11/16 before it stalled again. In the middle of that run I did a single heated clamped squeeze which added 1/2” girth that lasted for 3-4 days then settled at 5 3/8”.

I took another break then dug out my vacuum pump to experiment with condom pumping while reading up, but without any particular routine as it was just something to do while I did some more studying to determine my next experiment.

I had not PE’s in the last 14 days, and yesterday I measured at 7 1/2” FBPSL, 7 1/4” BPEL, and 5.5”G. I’m confident that I’ll get the FBPSL back up to the previous high plus a little bit, and if I sustain that then the BPEL should creep up another 1/8” or so within the next few weeks.

I haven’t determined yet my next experiment. Though I have a few ideas kicking around I don’t think I can source what I need. So in the meantime I’ll stick to my short PE runs with breaks in between as despite all the different things I’ve tried the consistant thing has been Growth, Repair/Plateau, Break, Losses, then repeat to gain a little bit more than I did the last time.

Sorry that the above isn’t well structured, that’s just the way it went from brain to keyboard. Hope it helps.

Shiver,

I think I am going to give your extended heating/short workout a go next month.

Do you think that IR is the best method of heating?

With my inconsistant routines it’s hard to be sure, but subjectively I feel that the IR pad is the best tool for the job. With the pad there are no visible light issues to deal with, and you can get the heat all round the unit without subjecting the sack to it (an issue with an IR lamp). It definately penetrates deeply as it is radiant heat, whereas with the regular heat pad the heat transfer was with conduction which would hurt the skin if it got too hot without the heat getting deeper.

My current working model is that the IR heat does indeed allow non-elastic creep (as mentioned in the quote from “Therapeutic Heat and Cold” in the other cementing thread), but it does not address the issue of growth. That is the next part I’m working on.

Just one more quick question….where did you get your IR pad from?

Thanks!

I got it from https://www.detoxyourworld.com but the manufacturers site is Home - Thermotex Therapy Systems

Where does one by a rice sock?

Starter7777,

Assuming that you meant “buy,” I think I can answer this one. There are expensive heating pads or “socks” that have beads or some sort of rice that doesn’t smell, but I think most people using a rice sock or similar idea make their own in this forum. Just take a sock and fill it with rice and tie a good knot at the top and you’re in business. Pop that baby in the microwave and you have yourself a portable heated weeny toaster.

Make sure you don’t nuke your weiner with very hot temperatures though. He may never forgive you :)

Later,
Phoenix