Deeper stretch without warm-ups?

Hey guys.

I wrote about this in my progress log - I’ve noticed, pretty much consistently that I get a deeper stretch when I haven’t done a warm up.

Example - I feel like the stretches and tug on my ligs are deeper at times where I’m not in ‘routine/session’ - e.g. going to the toilet, getting changed and just stretching my unit out of habit - there is no major difference in exerted pressures, just the difference between warmed up from hot flannel versus not warmed up from hot flannel.

I’ve pretty much always warmed-up pre actual session because I see it as PE 101, though I’m starting to feel that perhaps given my subjective experience that the warm-up can be dropped in order to get maximise effectiveness.

It seems to contradictory and backwards, maybe because I’ve just ingrained the habit of warm-ups/warm-downs, though anyone with a similar experience or any thoughts/feedback on this would be welcomed.

Thanks guys

FP

Have you taken BPFSL in order to compare them?

I tried to stretch without warming up and felt that my ligaments were about to snap. On that day, I felt way more from exercises but didn’t get the same expansion in comparison to a routine with plenty of heat.

For me, heat acts like an anesthesia. I got superior expansion but didn’t feel much from exercises.

Interesting, my stretches at the toilet feel indeed good sometimes but i would advise to try in the bathtub, with this constant moist heat i feel like the stretch can be unequaled.

I have come across some research in which cryotherapy was used in conjunction with stretching and the researchers reported superior results to using heat.

Unfortunately at this point considering the motivations behind publishing, I’ve become somewhat of a skeptic.

I do think that what you’re observing is interesting.

The contrarian in me has often wondered if you couldn’t gain without stretching. It stands to reason that some percentage of men, with everybody being unique, would get gains, just as well if not better, without warming up. Just as some guys simply cannot seem to gain without it. If we are seeking to cause micro-tears in the tissue of our tunicas, it would make sense to me that it would be easier to create this micro-damage in less pliable, less flexible, “cold” tissue. It’s an interesting thought.

I had my best length gains when I was brand new, and had a shoddy, short warm-up routine, wanting to get right to the exercises. I don’t feel like the lack of warm-up was likely the main contributor though. I think that was likely just being a newbie, with an unconditioned tunica, and a lot of untapped potential. As I say, some percentage of guys would likely benefit, while another would be prone to get nothing from it, and I feel like the chance for an injury likely goes up. Pretty much for the same reason I think it could and would benefit some, which is the less pliable state of “cold” tissue.

I agree, I find without heat stretching a much better stretch, when I heat my unit prior to stretching it gets quite plump and seems less elastic but more rigid making stretching feel awkward. so I do 15 mins or so cold stretching then warm up for the jelqing.

The real question is, Which gives better gains?

There’s no doubt that heat allows for a further stretch for a given force, with less discomfort. But which method best encourages actual tissue growth?

It could very well be that the length of stretch isn’t important, but the amount and duration of physical stress is. It could also be the exact opposite.

X2 I share this view that the best position is to remain open to possibilities that are not settled. As Phil210 suggests here. Very smart.

I’ve been experimenting for past couple of days with cold (non warmed) stretching and have to say I definitely feel a deeper stretch - I have to be mindful of a number of factors though, some of which I can’t really place right now and would like to hear more peoples thoughts if pos

1. Am i limiting the amount that I can stretch because of not being warmed? In addition to this, is this actually preferable because I’m pulling a ‘tighter’ ligament and allowing it stretch deeper in its natural (non warmed) state

2. Does this only apply to certain angles of stretch? This is a really big question because I know that from my experimenting with this that my Straight Down stretches are by far deeper non warmed than they are warmed

3. Here’s an interesting one I’ve been thinking over - what about JUST doing the warm down post stretching?