Girth fatigue - must have for girth gains

Hey everyone, I see that so many people have trouble gaining girth. I wouldn’t say I’ve been lucky to gain a good amount of girth because I’ve worked really hard at it, but I think I might be able to help.

What I’ve noticed is essential for girth gains is to push beyond the limits of what the tunica can handle. A guy can have strong erections his whole life and not see any gain in size whatsoever. That tells you that you need to really push it to see a gain. Luckily you can judge this by the way it feels at the end of a workout. An effective girth workout that has stretched the tunica enough for gains should give you a distinct feeling, a moderately intense soreness. At that point any more squeezes or jelqs should feel too sore to continue. Like you are punishing it beyond what it can handle for the day. If don’t feel any changes in the tunica after a workout, then you have not stressed (stretched) it enough to make a permanent gain!!

I have been using this as a guildeline for my workouts with great success. I started at 5” EG whole shaft. Now it’s at 6.25-6.5 base, 6 mid, and 5.75 upper. The last 4 months I’ve been focusing on the upper shaft with clamped dry jelqs squeezing at the top of the ‘reps’, and have gone from 5.25-5.75. Also keep in mind I often clamp twice a day, for a total of an hour a day. My workouts may sound brutal but hey, ‘no pain no gain’ holds true for everything. I get no discoloration or any other bad side effects because the weaker tissues in the penis will adapt over time and allow for serious training that will give you gains.

Thank you for sharing this.

How do you know where the line is between appropriate stress and overdoing it? I have trouble walking that line and find myself having to take days off to heal from time to time.

24 hours-

By paying more attention to your penis. PE is more of an adventure… a discovery of what your penis can handle. Once you have found this out gains are unlimited. This can take weeks months years or you might never find out. For me it is one of the most important things.

I don’t know if I experience anything like “fatigue” when I clamp or even pump. There is such a thing as overdoing it, in both cases. But fatigue? I’m not sure. Yes, when you jelq and squeeze, you are likely to get sore after awhile. But clamping and pumping are different in this respect. You certainly feel both while you are doing them, and your are likely to feel something just after a workout as well. But there’s nothing like lig fatigue or general soreness from squeezing. So it would depend on the girth exercise, I think.

It would be interesting to see what BG has to say about this.

24 Hours - In the hundreds of hours I’ve spent clamping I’ve never overdone it as far as overstressing the internal structures. There usually comes a point where it feels very sore and i dont feel I can squeeze anymore, so I stop there since there’s no point in continuing. I HAVE overdone it as far as the skin, spots, discoloration, dry patches, even a thrombosed vein. This is not from overstressing the tunica, this is from the weaker tissues not being able to handle the abuse that the tunica can. The key was strengthening those tissues with clamping over time, enough to be able to do the hard workouts I do now that really stretch the tunica.

motivated - fatigue, soreness, whatever you want to call it, the idea is that you apply enough stress that you feel a distinct soreness in the shaft (I go until it feels too sore to do any more exercises). It’s all about stretching the tunica enough to do the job. Your body tells you that you’ve done damage (here damage = good damage ie you’ve stretched the tunica) by making you feel pain (soreness). If you penis feels good then you haven’t stressed it very much meaning you won’t see very good gains.

I’m not debating the label used. Call it what you want, I don’t personally feel fatigue or soreness when I clamp or pump. And I do both quite aggressively. What you are feeling may have more to do with squeezing and jelqing. Further, I’m not certain if the tunica is being stretched when you clamp, etc. The CCs are being expanded, but I think this is different. Others with more anatomical knowledge will comment, no doubt.

It would be interesting to hear from other clampers about whether they feel “fatigue,” or whatever, after they clamp.

I know what you mean, but that feeling doesn’t necessarily mean progress is on the way.

I’m a girth typicalgainer (~.5”). Most of my girth gain occurred in the first few months of PE when I was doing a very minimal routine. The few meager increments since have usually occurred when I wasn’t doing intense girth exercises. I’ve tried a lot of things to gain more girth, some quite intense - enough to make my eyes water on occasion. My shaft has been extremely sore at times.

Consider some of the possibilities, many of which I have tried:

Low intensity, low duration, more rest between sessions
Low intensity, low duration, little or no rest between sessions
Low intensity, moderate duration, more rest between sessions
Low intensity, moderate duration, little or no rest between sessions
Low intensity, long duration, more rest between sessions
Low intensity, long duration, little or no rest between sessions

Moderate intensity, low duration, more rest between sessions
Moderate intensity, low duration, little or no rest between sessions
Moderate intensity, moderate duration, more rest between sessions
Moderate intensity, moderate duration, little or no rest between sessions
Moderate intensity, long duration, more rest between sessions
Moderate intensity, long duration, little or no rest between sessions

High intensity, low duration, more rest between sessions
High intensity, low duration, little or no rest between sessions
High intensity, moderate duration, more rest between sessions
High intensity, moderate duration, little or no rest between sessions
High intensity, long duration, more rest between sessions
High intensity, long duration, little or no rest between sessions

My last mostly-permanent gain after a long time of not doing anything for girth came from: Low intensity, long duration, little or no rest between sessions. That doesn’t mean it is “the key,” only that it was what did the trick for me at the time. Repeating the same protocol hasn’t worked.

I’ve gained from other combinations, but have never had luck from high intensity. Intense stuff gave good temporary size, but it wasn’t lasting (though the discoloration was). So, for some guys at some stages in their PE careers, you’re probably right. Pushing a little harder might be just the ticket. But don’t believe that everyone will gain girth if they simply bump up the duration and intensity. Been there, done that. I wish it were that easy. :)

Hobby - sure I’m not giving a sufficient condition for making gains. I should have known I would get the “I tried that and it didn’t work”. More clearly: If you do your girth workouts as I described, you should make much better gains than if you quit before you feel any soreness or fatigue (in other words low intensity). High intensity didn’t work for you? Maybe it did but the gains didn’t register on the tape until later for some reason (short term shrinkage). Maybe if you continued that work you would have seen even better gains than if you switched to low intensity. Maybe your measuring changed. Maybe I’m full of shit lol.

The logic is there, and I have made great gains following this guideline. Try it for a good 6 months and I’m sure you will make solid gains.

Juke,

How has this intense girth work effected your erection quality and sexual ability? It sounds like it could cause some short term if not long term problems.

And how about the flaccid? Any shrinkage after a good session?

> More clearly: If you do your girth workouts as I described, you should make much better gains than if you quit before you feel any soreness or fatigue (in other words low intensity).

Depends. How about:

If you’ve been stalled in girth gains for several months and have never tried moderate to moderately-high intensity girth exercises before, you may experience a gain soon after easing into such a routine. Don’t expect the rate of gain to continue, and don’t conclude from the initial results that increasing the intensity even more will provide continued progress.

Doing too much too soon may toughen your tissues instead of allowing them to expand, not to mention the increased risk of injury. If you are a newbie (say 0-3 months), don’t deliberately PE to the point your shaft feels sore. Soreness is not indicative of progress.

>High intensity didn’t work for you?

In general, no. The first time I did a dedicated squeezing routine (which was intense for me at the time) I picked up a little girth in the first few weeks. I didn’t gain anything more using the same routine for several more months, though it was the start of my bad discoloration.

>Maybe it did but the gains didn’t register on the tape until later for some reason (short term shrinkage).

I once picked up a little girth after switching from an intense “girth routine” to mostly hanging with only a little girth work done on the side. It’s possible the earlier higher intensity girth work played a role. I haven’t been able to repeat those results.

>Maybe if you continued that work you would have seen even better gains than if you switched to low intensity.

During the most intense girth routine I’ve ever done (as a final test to see if high intensity would work) my circ scar began shedding small clots of blood after about 6 weeks (? on the time - I’d have to check my notes). I couldn’t continue. Discoloration was horrible. And yes, my shaft was extremely sore. My dick was sore, ugly and discolored. No permanent gain from that.

Also, I didn’t gain any length from a good hanging routine (I should have based on past experience) done several months after that super intense girth routine, which further confirmed my suspicion that highly intense work causes a great deal of toughening.

>Maybe your measuring changed.

Same tape and ruler since the beginning. I’ve always been good about measuring consistently.

>Maybe I’m full of shit lol.

No. I agree with you, mostly, if the advice is put in context. I just don’t want newbies rushing to make their shafts sore thinking soreness is the key to progress. It isn’t. They should stick with the basic lower intensity techniques and get the most progress possible out of them before moving on.

However, after gains have thoroughly played out from the milder stuff, it’s time to increase intensity. This often results in a gain. From reports here, and my own experience, it seems to be mostly a one time thing. Pick up 1/16”, 1/8”, 1/4” or whatever, then that’s it. There are a few exceptions, but in general this seems to be the case. Maybe I’m wrong.

Not long after the Horse440’s were introduced several guys made some decent initial gains, then couldn’t get any more. They had probably never done such intense girth work. They eeked out some expansion their tunicas had previously been reluctant to offer. So, I think bumping up the intensity is good in some cases, mostly as a last hurrah.

There will always be exceptions. Guys who gain girth relatively easily (who usually aren’t the same ones wanting more girth) may respond differently from girth “hardgainers.”

It is totally logical that some really extreme PE may cause scar tissue, and we all know how that stretches, zero.

I can’t recall his name, but there is a PE surgeon who slices the tunica part way through. Isn’t his claim that with regular maximum erections after the procedure the resulting scar tissue is stretched, thus expanding the tunica?

I don’t know if the higher intensity PE techniques some have used can cause the formation of scar tissue, and if they do what effect the resulting scar tissue has on enlargement, erection quality, etc. No one does.

I agree 100% on gradually increasing volume and intensity. If you do it slow enough there should be no problems with discoloration or erection quality. I can clamp now for over an hour every day (doing squeezes and jelqs the whole time throughout) with no hint of injury. There’s no lasting soreness that’s not what I’m after. I’m saying you should workout until you feel soreness indicating you’ve sufficiently stressed it. If a newbie went through my routine he’d be F’d, he’d end up with a dick like Adam Sandler’s foot in Mr. Deeds lol. Over the last two years or so I’ve slowly increased time and intensity. I’m sure given enough time I could condition myself to handle 4 hours of clamping daily (not that I would want to do that much!). The trick is letting it have enough time to adapt, it will adapt, you just have to know when you’re ready to take it to the next level.

As far as erection quality, no problems. It’s not quite as strong as when I’m taking a break from PE (I took a 4 month break with only light pumping and it improved a bit), but no complaints at all. And this is 2 years after first trying the clamp.