"Slow Gainer" ... or just exercising wrong?

Well I was just reading some threads about different stretches again, and started thinking (again)..

Is there really such a thing as a “slow gainer”, or are slow gains only a lack of knowledge (in PE / anatomy) on how-to?

Whenever I hear about “slow gainers” I seem to think about the people who try to argue that there are limits in fitness/bodybuilding. I don’t believe that there are limits, or “limiting factors”. I am however, open to the fact that not everybody is the same, so what works for one person may not work for the next. I believe that if indeed you do find that you keep “hitting a wall” and have concluded that you’re just not meant to gain, there must be something that is holding you back, something that you can do better to change the whole “slow gain” stuff.

You never gained jack sh*t from the newbie routine? Did you ever try trying many different angles until you felt a ‘stretchy feeling’ that you hadn’t felt before? This wouldn’t be limited to “north-south” angles, I’m talking angles that may include making the unit look like a pretzel or something of the sort (“BTC stretching” would be another example of a ‘thinking out of the box’ angle). Some people will probably mention that some people’s ligs might be more “resistent” to stretching, but what if you find a way to fatigue your lig’s, THUS [then] leaving your lig’s prone to the ‘benefits’ of stretching?

So.. what do you think? Do you think that “slow gainers” could really become “more normal gainers” if they simply studied and analyzed how their body works/reacts to certain stresses and/or situations? Or do you insist on believing that some people are just “slow gainers”?

No, we can’t assume that all the gainers are useing the correct form, I think that some people might heal too quick or they don’t push themselves (their cock) hard enough, which is another topic..

Very good question.

I think 1). But I can’t prove it.

It is very hard to explain on a forum “how you jelq”. Only the time and sort of lubrication can be discussed effectively. But, what is the exactly force that you use? Very hard to explain if you ask me.

I discover a very big difference after the jelq session, if I jelq a little bit harder. The same for stretching.

I think it must be the mission for slow gainers (maybe for everyone) to work continuously toward a more effective trainings schedule and exercises. But that costs time and creativity and lots of inspiration from other members here at thunders.

Watch the video series, the techniques are preformed correct there.

There is certainly something to be said for learning to do exercises properly. However, I think it is also reasonable to assume that the same genetic variation that can cause both the micro penis and the 10x7 moster can cause stronger than average tunic. A person ‘blessed’ with thicker tunica my find that no matter what they do they can not gain. Perhaps they could gain at higher pressures or stress levels. However, can you really expect someone who has gotten zero benefit with the newbie program to jump into hanging high weights? I would imagine it far more likely for those people to become discouraged and quit. The bottom line is there are many genetic factors that can influence pe gains this is simply an example. In my opinion, it is not always correct to tell someone struggling for gains that they simply do not know how to exercise. There is always a bell-curve in human response to stimuli, and though nurture is important, lets not underestimate nature.

The truth will be in between….(or not?)

We need more (is there any?) scientific research about natural penis enlargement. Here at thunders, we can only theorise, make assumptions and base our conclusions on it.

I’m not asking “how to perform the exercises”.

What I am suggesting though is that maybe the slow gainers simply CAN’T gain [substantially?] by replicating exactly what they see in the exercise video’s. Maybe these people will only gain under ‘high pressures’. There is no way to tell, by watching the exercise video's, how the person in the video is feeling; how much stress they're feeling on their ligaments/etc.. All you can assume is that when the person in the video is performing the exercise, they’re feeling the exact same thing that you feel when you replicate it.

You see what I’m saying? Maybe the person in the video feels 2x more ‘stress’ on the lig’s than the slow gainer does when he does. Wouldn’t this imply that there is really a certain x-amount of pressure that we all try to reach? I think this is where certain “more extreme” exercises come into play (IE: BTC stretching, A-Stretching, V-Stretching, Hanging, etc.).

I guess an example would be this:
Say your stretching your quad’s… now Person A can stretch for 1 minute and be all set and ready to go. Now Person B on the other hand, has to stretch his/her quad’s for 3 minutes to be all set and ready to go. This would imply that Person B’s quads are more “resistent” to stretching, or just take more prolonged stretching to be effected in the same way as Person A’s.

So what do you think? Keep the opinions coming, they all count! :up: :cool: !

The only thing we can help you with is excersises and how to perform them. What you ask us about feeling and amount of stress is different for everyone. Fortunally there is something called intuition. I watched the videos to make sure that I performed the excersises correct and trusted my intuition in how the excersise feels and the amount of stress that I needed to apply. if you listen to your intuituon there isn’t much you can do wrong.

When you feel pain, can’t get an erection, lose sensation, get substantial contraction.. That is to much. I believe if you can not get an increase in size in some dimension after exercise, that is to little.

Ok, now let’s take what you just said..

Let’s say you’re a slow gainer. If you’re watching the video, then you try to replicate it, I would think your “intuition” says that that’s the feeling your supposed to get… that that's the same feeling the person in the video is feeling. Remember, you’re a slow gainer, you know NO different, so you’re left to assume that what you’re feeling is the same that everybody else is feeling. Since you’re left to assume this is the “correct way”, how are you supposed to become open to the fact that you may have to try to multiply the pressure you’re feeling, to something x-times more intense?

Agreed.

However, what about the variation in training days? What if certain people simply can not gain on a 2 Days on, 1 Day off routine? What if a “slow gainer” doesn’t know that the one thing that is holding him back is something [seemingly] as simple as moving away from a 2 Days on, 1 Day off routine? Intuition would probably not tell you this, because this wouldn’t be as physically evident to us.

Here’s a quote some of you may or may have not heard of, but I think it could fit in this context: “Sometimes you got to take a 2x4 to the head of the mule, just to get it’s attention.”
In other words, sometimes you have to take drastic measures if you want to get the results you’re seeking. How does a “slow gainer” know what drastic measures he should be taking? He doesn’t, he is only left to assume that he is “not meant to gain”, not realizing that there must be a better way to perform the exercises (IE: more pressure, or longer periods of exercising between breaks).

I remember reading a thread about a week ago where this person was saying that he formerly had come to grips with the fact that he was a “slow gainer”. This person had recently taken it upon himself to try to see if there was a better way he could be PE’ing. What did he do? He tried PE’ing for a month straight (every day). It was only after this month of PE’ing that he would take a couple days off (I think it was 4 days in case you’re wondering). I think I remember seeing another thread just like this pretty recently again too, only this 2nd person had said that he had decided to try this “month-long PE routine” because of his work schedule. Both had seen a spark in results.

So what do you think? Keep the opinions coming! They all count! :up: :cool: !

People feel different and gain different. I maked sure to do the excersises correct by watching the videos which is why I originally posted that reaction. When you start bodybuilding you first make sure that you do the excersises right by reading and watching other people perform them. When you mastered them you can work with them. When you hit the gym and go bench pressing for the first time you don’t put 300 lbs on them do you. No you wouldn’t because you intuition tells you it is to much. When you are aiming for length while jelqing and jelq at a 90% erection your intuition will tell you that you will not gain (many) length. I have gained 3.5 cm in length and 3 cm in girth during 9 months of PE by performing the excersises right, doing them daily and trust my intuition to know if my resistance was right. I advice you to do the same.

As it has been mentioned, it is hard to tell some one exactly what something should feel like because everyone is different. However, the first question I would ask a hard gainer is if they can observe a larger size after working out. If the answer is no, this may indicate that they should use more intensity. Unless of course they were getting retraction. I think most people could benefit from using these simple guidelines. However, if someone did see increases after exercise and still did not get any gains that would be more puzzling. There are situations where I can see this happening though, such as “gaining” lymph after pumping. Everyones physiology is different, the best we can do is give sensible guidelines to get people on the right track. The same phenomena is observed in the medical setting, you can have 95% percent of people respond positively to treatment, while 4% show no effect and 1% show severe possibly life threatening side effects. At this stage we do not understand many of these variations.. But we CAN monitor the situation and suggest different therapy ie pe strategy. Thus, what we are left with as a best bet is 1) guidelines: what is bad vs what is good during a session, and 2) different strategies: different exercises, different rest intervals, etc. Frustratingly, our best efforts including methods 1 and 2 will likely leave a percentage that is well.. Puzzling.

BTW.. Nice gains Bird2!

Thanks mate, hope you can say the same in a few months

Thats an interesting assumption. I prefer jelqing at a good erection level, simply becasue its a littel easier and my dick gets really plumped and fluffy afterwards.

Now are you suggesting that jelqing at 90% erection level mostly produces girth gains? (My main goal in length)

Can anyone else comment on this or communicate their observations