Originally Posted by disi
Mr.Happy,
I understand you. And I know about reverse Kegels-yes, this may help…but not Kegels.
Clearly you do not understand me.
Originally Posted by disi
And I do not mean ‘stop ejaculation’…I mean ‘control of climax’…There is NOW WAY that you can control your psychology/emotions with any muscle(in this direction-when you contract muscle). I remember that before I started Kegels I could last much, much longer than now. And I believe that orgasm is 90% mental thing-Kegels can only boost it…not delay. It is not the DICK that has orgasm..it is BRAIN. (see what Paxil does..it did for me) Moreover - strong PC muscle touches prostate…it is known that this can only increase sensitivity…this is the way many Gay men feel pleasure…they stimulate prostate from behind.
Your understanding of physiology and how it integrates with psychology is breath taking.
However, that you could last much longer prior to Kegeling is in no way contrary to what I’m saying.
While it’s true that the brain is involved with our orgasmic response it does take it’s cues from our physical reality. Certain things work a certain way given our physiological make-up; most are fairly universal and predictable, with some degree of variation.
Originally Posted by disi
Secondly…I am sure we have different approaches as you said. I am 27…things that are good for me does not have to be good for you. If you are older than me you must have different attitude to many things. For many years I have studied Buddhism and other systems (like Taoism). After many years I can say that it is only ‘one of many’ systems…nothing special than other. That ‘hype’ with ‘energy in body’ just does not get to me:) Sorry…If you believe in that it will work for you..great :) I do not believe in that because I used to last longer without any ‘energy control’..it means something.
It does work. It is not hype. And you are definitely 27.
If, at the ripe old age of 27, you feel you have thoroughly explored Tao-ist practices that go back a couple thousand years and, in your expert opinon, you’ve determined they are nothing but hype…there’s not a lot I can say to you. Thankfully I’m posting so that others, besides you, may read and hopefully explore what I’m saying themselves.
In order for those techniques to work one must develop greater sensitivity to ones personal physical responses and devote some attention to this with a willingness to try something other than what is already known, as well as an understanding that it’s not going to work right away. Such adjustments take time to fully understand, and more time to achieve. Before they can be achieved at all, however, they must be understood: what is meant by the techniques in question and how they are to be employed.
If, for example, you are having sex and feel yourself about to ejaculate (which is different than an orgasm), and you then Kegel really hard at that point, the likelihood is that it will hasten your ejaculation. Particularly if you continue to be stimulated.
Such a scenario basically proves nothing, other than that the apprehension of the technique is faulty.
Originally Posted by disi
I am sure I have to re-think it but not in the direction you propose :) I am sure that in order to last longer I have to change my ‘patterns’. Deep down in my mind there is a ‘belief’ that makes me ejaculate soon…What is it? I do not know yet…fear of women? Maybe…. I do not know yet but I am sure this is the key for me…. Maybe when I am 40-50 I will start thinking about my semen…at this point I got too much of it and want to spread it ALL OVER the world ;)
Like I said, you are definitely 27 - and that’s just my taking your word for it; I’m generous that way.
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With regard to PE practices: 50 Kegels are recommended in the Newbie Routine post work-out, after you have warmed down. These are not done with an erection.
The purpose is to enhance muscle tone, which will promote firmer erections when they occur.
Firmer erections can, in some cases, lead to increased sensitivity, which can have an impact on ones control, and so the approach to the sexual experience needs to be changed in order to accomodate this.
Generally speaking, however, the Kegels themselves are a good practice for the overall health of the organ.
One can Kegel during an erection, and even during intercourse, but this is done in a different way for entirely different reasons. There are a variety of techniques which allow one to control ejaculation. They vary from thinking about your grandmother, to deep breathing, etc.. Needless to say, not all of them are equally effective.
The Tao-ist approach isn’t for everyone; one has to arrive at something that works for the individual. However, before decrying a technique as ‘hype’ or flatly stating that Kegels “don’t work” it might be good to recognize that the problem may be in the individual ability to assimilate, not in the technique itself.
A general FYI: Porn stars do not universally “clamp down” a Kegel to delay orgasm. The vast majority of cumming on cue is done through mutliple takes and the magic of editing. Often the priorites there have to do with the shot of the girl and how it all looks.
Just so we’re clear: it isn’t sex. It’s the movies. So maybe put the porn aside a while and concentrate on your real love-life? Just a thought.