Yet another theory of how we grow

Originally Posted by xlmagnum
Yes, that works….in theory.

In theory, Communism works. In theory.

I think he was just joking about the communism part. It’s something Homer Simpsons said so don’t take it too seriously :)

Tissue injury either heals by restoration of existing cells (whether as they were prior or bigger, depending upon the conditions that exist) or by replacement of cells that die.

Cellular necrosis induces the attraction of macrophages (the “garbage eaters” of our body) that remove the dead cells. Multiple locally produced factors are released by the macrophages and surrounding tissues to bring about regeneration.

hGH is not a factor normally released after small injuries. Its levels normally fall off with age (unless you’re a MLB player and George Mitchell caught you). Its role in repair is as minor as the role of testosterone (which has been debunked by many here and elsewhere).

BTW, if scar formation occurred after every episode of micro- or small injury, we’d all be one big scar. Does every cut you’ve ever had scar? I contend that most of the injury induced by PE is not injury repair by scar formation but by regeneration. I know we don’t regrow tails like lizards but we do have some capacity to regenerate.

I know that this has been debated elsewhere, but I just had to throw in my 2 cents.

Debated before or not, this is much more convincing than most of the stuff I have been reading in here.

So you are suggesting that existing cells will be bigger after regeneration (hypertrophy), not that more cells are added to existing cells (hyperplasia)?

Also, you are supposing that if too much tissue damage is caused, than the tissue can’t be totally regenerated and scar (not useful) tissue is what we get?

There may be problems with your hypothesis, Karl, but I still think you’re a lot closer to the mark than those advocating plastic deformation. Growth is based on biochemistry; it has to be. Otherwise, we would all achieve our full extent of PE gains after a single workout.

Agreed, growth is cell replications that out numbers cell death. Providing the cells get a good message and not a contorted one. Think hypertrophy!

No this is not what I said. I said, “Tissue injury either heals by restoration of existing cells (whether as they were prior or bigger, depending upon the conditions that exist) or by replacement of cells that die.”

By restoration I mean repair. Cells have this capacity. If this cell is under stress, this may result in hypertrophy.

By replacement I meaning new cells (hyperplasia).

The production of new cells (by stimulation of locally produced factors) probably off load stress on existing cells (injured and repaired or uninjured) so that hypertrophy may not be the ultimate result.

No I said “if scar formation occurred after every episode of micro- or small injury, we’d all be one big scar. Does every cut you’ve ever had scar? I contend that most of the injury induced by PE is not injury repair by scar formation but by regeneration. I know we don’t regrow tails like lizards but we do have some capacity to regenerate.”

When I look at my body, I don’t see one large scar. Over the course of my life I’ve had lots of cuts, scrapes and bruises. This is a testament to restoration occurs in most cases without scaring

I don’t think that I am supposing what you suggest. However, total regeneration is not a normal process in humans (except to some small degree with severed finger tips that are allowed to heal without sutures of surgery).

Too much damage is a relative term. Repairing or replacing injured cells in an intact ligament or tunica by regeneration is the rule, not the exception. But there is a finite limit. If an injury say severs the suspensory ligament, I can guaranty you that repair will not result in an intact ligament without scar.

I would believe that you would not like to test the regenerative possibilities of the body by chopping off your penis and seeing if it regenerates. I contend there is a limit.

Thanks. that was actually the main idea, but I sunk in to the details where I am not as competent as some. Plus, English is not my native language.

With the exception of very minor lesions, every wound (e.g. after accident, disease, or surgery) results in some degree of scarring.

You don’t see “one large scar” for two reasons:
1. I don’t believe, that you have had cuts on every square mm of your body
2. Over time scars get replaced with normal tissue and some smaller ones can completely disappear from sight (yet, the traces of them are still there so they won’t ever get removed). I have read some research about it some time ago and it complements my own notions.

But this doesn’t prove anything regarding PE.

One thing is unclear to me. What is your position. Is the enlargement plastic or biochemical? That seems to be the main difference in beliefs (cause regardless if we speak about “theories” or “hypothesises”, anything that I have read is just statement of beliefs).

Testosterone has no effect what so ever on the penis after puberty.
During, yes.
After, no way.

HGH maybe, but anecdotal evidence seems to rule that out also.

In my opinion and judging from my results (fast early gains and then nothing, period) it is definitely plastic deformation.

Well, let’s finish off with the testosterone. The subject’s closed ‘bout that. It has possibly no effect and if it has, it is negligible.

However, i think that HGH has a role. At least here are some chaps who have grown with injections of hgh (though, here are also some, who have claimed growth from injecting testosterone).

Please don’t get me wrong. I’m absolutely not in to the injection stuff. It’s actually way overboard for me (discounting the fact that PE itself is overboard in some sense). I just want to understand of what happens inside of me.

Look at the PE stats. There’s lot of people who grow year after year (avocet, kingpole etc. just from memory). How do they grow? There’s limit to plastic deformation. Collagen tissue gets reformed after that and eventually so strong that you can not stretch it with any thinkable method. Still, there’s a lot of people who get growth year after year. How? AFAIK, for example avocet8-s routine is not very extreme but he still gets growth.

But did you gain right away? This may seem like a silly question, but plastic deformation is really instantaneous. You pull, the thing stretches. Then it stays stretched. But nobody to my knowledge has ever had that experience with a penis. You pull for several weeks. If you’re lucky, things gradually start to elongate. That suggests a biochemical process involving growth, not deformation.

Maybe we should define what are we meaning with “plastic deformation”; it sure can’t be nothing so mechanical and instantaneous as we see applying force on an inorganic thing. Organic elements react to a stressor self-modifying themselves if that stressor is prolonged and high enough.

Plastic deformation in the meaning of “immediate and noticeable volumetric changes” means, applied to living bodyparts, injury: torn tendons, scar tissue, broken bones etc..