Bib or Mike Salvini before & after pictures ?

I believe PE works, but that has nothing to do with faith.

Some very good points.

All I know is that I have gained an inch in length and probably a half inch in girth since december `09 and I owe many thanks to those who have provided this vast resource so that I can continue to gain over time.

I really don`t care much about the veracity of claims by others about length and girth gains, because I figured out early that my experience will be vastly different to that of others here, whether they make claims or not.and I know that I have gained and how much.even though there are those who would probably doubt such claims.

Such is the life of a community of more than a hundred thousand people.

There are bound to be a few liars, the odd saint, and an angel or two.

And all of us pulling, clamping, bending and hanging in the hopes of a few more 1/32nds of an inch this month.

And I like the Michael Jordan analogy.

It`s not the shoes dude.

Hey Jcgtampa, I take everything on the web with a grain of salt. On penis enlargement sites, make it 5 grains of salt. So I am with you 100% as far as being skeptical of Bib’s claims. In fact, I flat out don’t believe anyone’s claim of 3 or more inches of length gain, and would need some *very* convincing pictures to be swayed. I think Bib makes a 4+ inch claim, so that just isn’t possible in my mind.

That said, your original post makes two mistakes in my opinion:

1. lumping him with DLD
2. saying Bib is pulling a scam

DLD is first a foremost a charlatan. He makes outrageous claims, and had been caught creating phoney pictures to corroborate them. He is the scammer.

All indications are Bib provides a top notch product, and is a genuinely nice guy. So, I wouldn’t say he is pulling a scam so much as he makes a solid product and doesn’t provide any proof of his gains.

Anyway, your skepticism is warranted in my opinion. :up:

There’s definitely something to be said for anyone that has spent a lot of time helping others… DLD & Bib alike. As a side note, Bib only hung 66lbs to test his hanger for safety purposes. He never did more than 45 lbs (give or take a few lbs) for 20 minute sets.

You also mention these guys were doing PE routines almost like a full time job (6-8 hours a day, maybe more). I don’t see why someone like that couldn’t keep gaining 1/8" or 1/16" a month until after a long time they finally had incredible gains. Bib mentions constantly changing his angles, changing tactics, etc to keep his growth going.

There’s a medically documented story of a guy in Brazil that gained 6.29" with an extender (started at 4" and ended up at 10"+).

Who are the top gainers in history?

Here we have a documented case of 6" BPEL in gains (over the course of 5 years). Who is anyone to say that 4" in BPEL gains isn’t possible?

Nope. These guys, They said they were doing PE routines more than a full time job. I don’t think this is true. I don’t think you are going to live like a recluse for months or years because you want a longer penis, expecially if you have a true job in real life and a family. And I don’t think if you pull your penis with full force the whole day for months or years you’ll have extraordinary gains - the adverse is easier, actually.

Anyway, if you do want to believe, it is no point arguing. I think before or after you’ll come to my same conclusion by your way.

Not an extender, a surgery and ‘physiotherapy’; but, where it is documented? I don’t see any reliable source for this story, would you like to give the source?

If you want to verify, you have to get a copy of the book & go to page 73.

Source:

Yesterday I purchased the 2009 edition of the Guinness World Records book, and to my surprise there was an entry for penis enlargement!

From page 73:

LONGEST PENIS EXTENSION

A patient of Dr. Ballard Olle Fischer Santos (Brazil) has had his penis enhanced by 6.29 in (16 cm) through surgery and physiotherapy. The first treatment was administered on February 20, 1995, and the patient’s full distention of 10.62 in (27 cm) was achieved by March 28, 2000.

I did some research and found that extensive use was made of a “PLD” (Penis Lengthening Device) to help him achieve this tremendous feat!

There were some complications with part of the surgery (asymmetry and fat cysts from the “girth” portion of the procedure). The patient also supplemented his regimen with HCG.

I really liked this quote from the source:

“The importance of this record is not only associated to this patient’s amazing penis enlargement, which was even beyond the medical opinion that considered the treatment successful when the penis reached 16 cm in length, but also to attest that a penis can be really enlarged, with no risk to its functions, in spite of many doctors’ insistence that penis enlargement is impossible.”

You can verify this through the European press records most likely.
Source:

In 1997 it was reported in the European press that plastic surgeon Dr. Jörn Ege Siana, director of the Scandinavian Clinic of Plastic Surgery, located in Copenhagen, Denmark, a penis enlargement expert who performed more than 1,000 penile enhancement operations and creator of the “Jes Extender®”, had enlarged a penis that was initially 4.5 cm long and after surgery, which consisted of severing the suspensory and fundiform ligaments of the penis, followed by physiotherapy with the device. The “Jes Extender®” extended it to 19cm.

(that’s a total gain of 14.5 centimeters, or 5.7”)

Doctor behind Extenders a fraud

Ironically, the guy that said the European doctor is a fraud, didn’t provide a source for his information.

There’s nothing about the Brazilian doctor though.

Keep looking, I know that Kristian posted some links to articles about the law being on the doc’s tail. Or continue to take the marketing pitch as gospel. Your choice.

The platonic method teaches that by doubting all things and only believing that which cannot be doubted we can reach the truth. I doubted PE, and I tried it. I made gains. I no longer see a reason to doubt it, so I’m ready to move forward… Penis Enlargement is possible. Ironically though, the doubting got me nowhere. Only believing in PE just a little bit allowed me to find it was real.

And who ever said I believe those doctors? I was just showing medical claims which was in reference to the question before it. I didn’t say I accepted them as ‘gospel’. Why would you just assume I believe them?

I can doubt all claims ever made about alleged extraordinary gainers as well, maybe I can even doubt people that claim to have grown 1” because I haven’t done it myself yet. Or should I only be doubting people that make claims of 2”…. or 3” … What about DLD, Bib, & anyone else who claim gains of 4” or more… are they all complete frauds? Where do you draw the line?

Should I assume everyone who claims to have gained more than me is a fraud until I reach the same level of gains myself?

Fuck, I didn’t want a philosophy lesson, just trying to get you to realize that you need to take some of this shit with a grain of salt.

Maybe it was naive for me to even believe PE was possible in the first place, who knows. But I’m hardly a naive person. However, I decided to try & change the one thing about myself that I thought was impossible to change.

About the medical claims, it does seem convenient when a person in a position to financially gain just happens to have a product that gives ‘extraordinary gains’. There’s a very strong opposing case already in place the moment someone claims they have an amazing product that will give you whatever you want (since they have an obvious strong incentive to lie). Some people are dishonest, so there will no doubt be false claims. Some of these guys do have good products, but perhaps they wouldn’t sell nearly as well without ridiculous claims. But what about a guy that does make an honest claim? What proof do we need? And even if they do prove it, I suppose it might not matter because I wont necessarily believe their extraordinary claim is even remotely possible for me (and as I mentioned before, I’m lucky that I have no desire to gain that much anyway).

I think once a person finally gives in & believes that PE is real, their ‘bubble’ is burst a bit, and suddenly they are no longer sure what is possible & what is not possible. Maybe an article should have been written on this subject a long time ago…

I don’t accept any claims as ‘gospel’. But finding out PE is real has given me more of a ‘hmm, what if?’ kind of attitude. 6” does sound like a complete lie, I’ll admit that. 4” does sound ridiculous too…. even 3” sounds ridiculous. I don’t know what to believe is possible anymore though— only being told to doubt everything doesn’t really get me anywhere.

I just wish veterans like you would give something more than that. Given my understanding of PE, a lot of guys can gain 1.5” to 2” (bpel) if they are willing to go 5 years or more with consistent, intelligent work. It seems guys that gain too quickly are just getting EQ gains. To me that seems reasonable. Any gains will make me happy, & perhaps not knowing what is ‘possible’ leaves the future more open for me (ignorance is bliss).

You are getting there blink. :)

Did you get one? I mean, this is an incredible claim that shouldn’t be believed untill serious evidence is shown (and deeply investigated). And what books, Guinness world record? I doubt there is such a record in that book and I wouldn’t trust it anyway on this kind of things.

If any MD would had performed a penis elongation of 15 cm his name would be on any serious urology journal instead than on commercial penis enlargement sites only - many people here perfomed penis elongation surgeries and reported that gains are minimals - 0 to 0.5 inches. I checked wikipedia and found nothing about that Doctor, just to say.

If you are going to believe as holy truth to a guy that posts on the internet about a mythical doctor who has elongated a penis 150%, and about 12 times more than any other penis enlargement specialist on the earth, than what it does shows is just that you want to believe with all your forces to ridicolous claims.