Discouraged by LOT theory...

Hello everyone,

This is actually my first time posting a message on this site, and I just wanna start off by saying that this sight is really awesome!!! Anyways, I was reading about the LOT theory last night, and was discouraged to find out that I have a 6:00 low LOT and as I understand, would make gains more difficult for me. I’m below average in length, and was really hoping for a miracle in length gains. I haven’t begun PEing yet, except for doing some manual stretching and vacuum pumping occasionally…not consistently (and no gains yet). I was interested in trying out hanging and getting on a consistent routine for the summer, but since I’ve been discouraged I’ve been having second thoughts….

I guess I have a few questions and would appreciate any comments or suggestions. Here are my questions:

- First off, is it still worth it for me to attempt weight hanging since I won’t be getting significant gains?

- I was wondering if there was anyone out there that started out with a LOW lot and experienced significant gains and with what PE method was used?

- How much of gains could I expect if I do weight hanging and work on stretching out the tunica?

Thanks,
PEMaximus

Hello, PEMaximus. Welcome to Thunder’s.

>- First off, is it still worth it for me to attempt weight hanging since I won’t be getting significant gains? <

Certainly. Stop thinking a low LOT equals little potential for gains. It’s not true. You should focus on angles above your LOT for now. There is a strong possibility (the evidence is mounting) that doing so will eventually raise your LOT enough for you to be able to work the ligs effectively.

Cheer up. A positive mindset helps.:)

PEMaximus,

Welcome!

>- I was wondering if there was anyone out there that started out with a LOW lot and experienced significant gains and with what PE method was used?<

LOT’s of people! bib estimates he got 2 inches from tunica stretching using hanging, DLD must surely have at least that much if not more from tunica stretching, and RB has been making gains through manual stretching for the tunica too!

>- How much of gains could I expect if I do weight hanging and work on stretching out the tunica?<

Well, it depends how much you want it. Gains differ from person to person. As hobby says, you might find that after making gains from tunica stretch that your LOT lowers and you can make further gains from lig stretching!

Good Luck
SS4

PEMaximus,

Don’t worry about it. I estimate that about two inches of my gains were from tunica growth.

Bigger

I must have missed something in the lot theory, sorry, but: Do you really mean tunica stretching can raise your current LOT and making it possible to ligstretch once again?

mrCow,

Yes, I think so. Given enough time spent on tunica work, the part of the tunica behind the ligs should lengthen, thus producing enough slack to once again stretch ligs effectively.

Remember, it’s all relative. It’s commonly said “long ligs” result in a low LOT, but it’s equally true that a “short tunica” behind the ligs causes a low LOT. The absolute length of either doesn’t matter, only the ratio. Lengthen the tunica and the LOT should come up again.

hobby,

Extremely well said. I could never have put it that simply.

Bigger

Hobby/BIB,

you can change your lig-LOT with tunica work. This is great news. I thought a low LOT was a death sentence to slow gains and minimal ones if any.

Hobby said:
>”Given enough time spent on tunica work, the part of the tunica behind the ligs should lengthen, thus producing enough slack to once again stretch ligs effectively.”<

Would it be possible to get a diagram or sketch of what Hobby is talking about exactly?? This is really great stuff for us low-LOTers!!

I would like to know if this lot theory asumes that ligs are a contractile tissue. When you kegle it is not the ligs that produce the tugback, that is impossible and goes against all we know about the physiology of the body. Ligaments do not contract, they are a connective tissue. Fact is I have a lot of 7.5- 8 but after a stretching session with kegles it is a 12. This whole stretch and contract exercise is nothing new, Therapists use isometric stretches every day to relax muscle tissue and increase lenght of a given muscle or group. I truely believe that this is the same thing that is happening in the penis when kegling. Other theries that are in practice today employ the creep theroy to lengthen ligamemnts in other areas of the body and someone has taken that info and applied it to the penis. That is why we hang and stretch.

Anyway that is my thoughts on the lot theory. I dont believe that a low LOT has any thing to do with potential gains. All you are doing while kegling is exhausting those muscles that do contract so you can apply full force to the ligs. Some people just have stronger muscles to overcome first.

Someone elses thoughts or questions on this would interest me.

Very good reply hobby! Everything explained in opne sentence. I understood what you meant about raising the LOT from tunica stretching and it feels somewhat logical even though I don’t think it is as beneficial as the first time you stretch your ligs… This might encourage a lot of guys and perahaps more of us should be aware of it…

HaPPy PEing!

bbs,

>you can change your lig-LOT with tunica work. This is great news. I thought a low LOT was a death sentence to slow gains and minimal ones if any.<

No, I don’t think a low LOT is a death nell. A high LOT simply indicates more internal penis and possibly faster length gains from lig stretch. Tunica gains are still possible for high or low LOTs. The fact is, the tunica is simply tougher material.

>Would it be possible to get a diagram or sketch of what Hobby is talking about exactly?? This is really great stuff for us low-LOTers!!<

Look at my drawings in the LOT thread and you will see what hobby means. When stretched at upper angles, all of the tunica will stretch including the tunica behind (within the body) where the ligs attach to the tunica. When the inner tunica is stretched a certain amount, the LOT should rise, thus giving the opportunity to stretch the ligs further for more length gains. Someone described it as a see-saw effect.

hogman,

>I would like to know if this lot theory asumes that ligs are a contractile tissue. When you kegle it is not the ligs that produce the tugback, that is impossible and goes against all we know about the physiology of the body. Ligaments do not contract, they are a connective tissue.<

No, ligs do not contract much if any. You are correct, the PC muscle provides the tugback, not the ligs.

>Fact is I have a lot of 7.5- 8 but after a stretching session with kegles it is a 12. <

From what you said above, this makes no sense. After stretching at lower angles, your LOT should be lower if anything. If stretching is at upper angles, it might be a little higher. But I do not think it could change by 150 degrees within a session. That would violate the physics of the penis.

>Anyway that is my thoughts on the lot theory. I dont believe that a low LOT has any thing to do with potential gains.<

So far, the statistics show that a low LOT DOES make gains tougher, but surely not impossible.

>All you are doing while kegling is exhausting those muscles that do contract so you can apply full force to the ligs. Some people just have stronger muscles to overcome first.<

I do not really understand what you are saying. This seems like an arguement for blasters rather than the premise of the LOT theory.

Bigger

Hi everyone….
I want to thank you all for your replies…they have given me hope again. I’ve been reading more about the LOT theory throughout the site in addition to your posts and I decided to purchase a bib. I’ve received the bib today and I’m going to start a routine….thanks again.

PEMaximus

So let me get this straight:

I have a LOT of 8:30 (between 8:00 and 9:00). Which way should I be stretching, and should I be stretching my ligs or tunica primarily? Thanks. I thought this would be easier than making a new thread.

popp,

>I have a LOT of 8:30 (between 8:00 and 9:00). Which way should I be stretching, and should I be stretching my ligs or tunica primarily? <

Stretch or hang down, stressing the ligs.

Bigger

I know this might have been convered elsewhere but why is the tunica consiered harder to stretch than the ligs?? If one uses the proper angles and time shouldn’t they be fine?