Gaining at Higher Angles

:) Great book indeed.

Your assumption about what causes erection length is exactly what is being discussed. I should say APPARENT erection length, or visible length, as of course you are right that the only way to actually elongate the penis is to make the shaft itself longer.

One other thing that is incorrect in the above statement is that the fundiform ligament doesn’t actually connect at any point to the penis. It wraps around it and creates a sling which has a similar suspensory effect as well as stabilizing it laterally, but it only attaches to the linea alba and the scrotal septum.

fun·di·form lig·a·ment of pe·nis [TA]
a band of elastic fibers of the superficial fascial layer that extends from the linea alba above the pubic symphysis then splitting to surround the penis before attaching to the fascia of the penis.
Fundiform ligament of penis | definition of fundiform ligament of penis by Medical dictionary

I think it doesn’t make much of a difference if it attach to the penis or just encircle it for our goals?

Marinera, I have figured out a REALLY good way to model my theory and assumptions. I am gonna leave the subject alone until I can construct the model as I feel like we have hit a wall and we are both firmly entrenched in our views, but I finally feel like I understand your view on what is really going on. So continue we shall!

When I get it made up I’ll start a new thread for “the great lig gains debate, part two” and we can discuss it again. Nobody is off the hook yet! ;)

Until then, on a practical note, if anyone out there is gaining at high angles, low angles, in-between angles, OTS, SD, BTC, around the world, or over the hill, keep doing what you are doing if you are getting gains. What works for you is all that matters.

Roots

We are already short of tickets!

Doesn’t matter at all for what we are talking about. But I know that the fundiform ligament is not continuous with the tunica. You can pull a cadaver penis through it like a loop if you make a circumferential incision of the superficial fascia after removing the skin. It is pretty cool. And it ends at the septum of the scrotum, it is the main vertical suspensory structure of the scrotum, a major player in how low the balls hang.

"At the base of the body of the penis, identify the fundiform ligament of the penis. This ligament is derived from the membranous Scarpa’s fascia [from another specimen] of the anterior abdominal wall. The fundiform ligament of the penis extends from the linea alba to the penis and surrounds it laterally and it ends in the scrotal septum. The fundiform ligament supports the penis in a sling-like fashion."

http://ect.down state.edu/cours … /L42/030102.htm

"The penile skin is continuous with that of the lower abdominal wall and continues over the glans penis to form the prepuce; it then folds itself to reattach at the coronal sulcus. The penile skin envelopes the shaft and can be moved freely over the erect organ. The underlying fascial layer or dartos fascia (Colles’ fascia) is continuous with Scarpa’s fascia of the lower abdominal wall."

"The fundiform ligament is a thickening of the superficial penile fascia"

Male Genital Anatomy » Sexual Medicine » BUMC

The fundiform ligament originates at the linea alba, encricles the tunica and is continuous with the superficial Colles’ fascia which is the fascial layer continuous with the skin, not the Buck’s fascia which is the fascial layer under that which is continuous with the tunica (they are not continuous with one another which is why you can slide the skin over the tunica, like when you dry jelq), and then comes back together and attaches to the scrotal septum.

Once again, it doesn’t matter whether it attaches to the tunica or not for what we are talking about, it still performs its suspensory function whether attached or an unattached sling. I just wanted the anatomy to be correct in everyone’s mind.

Ahahaha that is awesome! You da man Marinera.

Great. No one was harmed by a hair.

That’s the trap, a couple of friends in the Spanish forum who spent a lot of money for the surgery, did not get positive results… ;)

I use an LG hanger. I lay in bed and run the rope from the hanger over my head behind the headboard. The angle of pull is around 10:30 or so.

While, before, hanging with the same hanger but SD has given no gains? How much gains are we speaking of, by the way?

Very good. I’m very familiar with anatomy and surgery. But your point leads me to the same conclusion in trying to come to an understanding of marinera’s posts. There are limits to erect length not due to ligaments stretched or otherwise. As Archimedes once said, “Give me a long enough lever and I can move the earth.” Likewise, give me longer distal ends of the CC, CS and glans and I will move the earth under many women! Or, something like that.

Excellent discourse Amicos.

Haha good analogy.

You are correct that the distal attachment of the CC’s dictate how far horizontally the penile shaft can exit the body, but my point ONLY has to do with how high the exit point is vertically. The ligaments do not control the horizontal distance by holding the penis within the body, my assertion is that the length of the suspensory ligament proper and fundiform ligament dictate the vertical height of the penile exit point.

I’m not trying to be a moron here but I have a question: is this thread discussing about LOT theory?

No. We were discussing if lig gains are even possible. LOT was a proposed test to discover how much potential a person had remaining for lig gains. That is a whole different discussion. Most people on here will tell you LOT is dead and buried. Looking at the anatomy down there, I can’t exactly figure out why it would work in the first place, but there are several anecdotal reports of it working as a test.

And there are no stupid questions. :)