Girth and the Bib hanger... bib?

Bib or anyone else who may know…

I did my research readings on this site and still have a question…

It’s recommended to work on length first and then girth. I think I understand the rationale of a thick cord being harder to stretch than a thin one.

But does this apply to the penis shaft or the lig/tunica?

Girth increases the penis shaft. Hanging stretches the lig/tunica.

So it seems like two different areas.

How does one affect the other?

Or does hanging also stretch the penis shaft as well? If so, how much do you think that hanging length increases comes from shaft stetching versus lig/tunica? I would imagine that increases primarily come from the lig/tunica with only some from shaft stretch?

My thought is this… if girth affects the shaft, and hanging primarily affects lig/tunica, then increasing girth shouldn’t affect hanging. (I could see how girth increases would affect jelqing because jelqing increases penis length directly to the shaft itself, but this isn’t the case for hanging.)

I hope I made sense. Thoughts?

Basically a simplified version, a real knowlegable hanger will chime in and answer all your questions.

Your length and girth are about equal, so determine your LOT. Use this as a guide. When you hang you’ll get base girth too. Not This may create a baseball bat like effect also known as a old fasioned coke bottle in which you get thinner looking by more width being realized at the base or root of the penis. try and think of it like pulling a really long as tooth out of your gums. But it gives and yet still stays rooted in at the end. The root of the penis/tooth stretches and grows stronger yeilding more length instead of falling out completly. This is do to the penis being like an upside down ice cream cone with a thicker internal structure being slowly pulled forwards or outwards. By hanging Between the cheeks your lengthening the whole dick slowly.

You want to ride out the easy part of it from your ligs, once they start to dry up, you switch to hanging above the LOT at higher angles like straight up, over the leg, over the shoulder, straight out, and use fulcrum hanging.

Take a look over this for some more ideas. it does take a long time to digest it all. http://www.bibh … r.com/index.htm

Have I confused you?

Thanks for replying. I have a low lot and hang ots. I’m aware of the girth increases at the base from hanging.

But I was thinking about girth increases in the “upper” shaft. As my base increases from hanging, I would like to eventually do some girth work to have a thicker shaft. I’m a little over 5 now.

I was just wondering if I could do some ulis on my “upper shaft” now while I’m hanging and not adversely affect my hanging efforts.

I don’t mind working on length then girth, but if I can start girth work now, I’d like to… but I want to MAXIMIZE my hanging… so I’m a little concernced and wanted to make sure.

This also raises the question of jelqing while hanging too. I’ve read that it shouldn’t be done or that it’s a wast of time… but I’ve read others doing both so I’m wondering if I should jelq too to maximize my length increases from getting both from jelqing and hanging. But I prefer hanging.

I guess you could do some ULIs, but I myself would hold off till you condition the penis. I have personally never done them. I would jelq between sets of hanging to make sure the circulation is good still. If you just started jelqing is the backbone of any new routine. Who knows you could make insane gains by that alone. It has happened to a few of us on these boards.

I would do some jelqing to condition the dick. But I would not go to overboard on it. Maybe just supplement by it and keep the real focus on hanging. I would do both but keep it really simple. See what that adds to you first.

There are opposing thoughts to the length first. I am not really to clear on them, but people argue that the dick is more like a bag than a piece of rope. I myself just look for the fastest way to get gains and stick with the rope theory. I am not too adventurous, but hell what do I care as long as I can get a gain. I put my faith in Bib and others who are better hangers than me. Some people don’t even believe in the LOT Theory either, but to me it looks like a very viable idea. People have a lot of opinions here on these boards, so expect to encounter them. One says this is good, the other says it is a waste of time, you get the idea. It is not really a science to it all clearly spelled out plus people differ in what works for them too.

I hope some real hangers chime in soon. They can give you way better answers than I can. Hopefully Bib or SS4Jelq will see this. Wish I could be more helpful to you. Sorry.

What is your weight that you’re hanging and for how long are the sets? How often per week too?

I’ve been hanging for about 2 months (although I took a rest of a week or two due to injuries). I don’t really keep track.

I can comfortably hang at 17 pounds. I noticed that I don’t get fatigued like I first used to, so I have put 27 pounds in the bag.

Okay, I guess I have to explain “bag”. My hanging setup uses a pulley system. I lay down on my bed and attach my bib hanger to a thin rope that goes through a small pulley that is attached to my door handle. It’s exactly the right height so that it pulls my penis straight up toward my shoulders, but the rope doesn’t actually wrap over my shoulders since I’m laying down on the bed. The other end of the rope is attached to a gym bag. I put my weights in the bag. This allows me to quickly and easily change the amount of weight. I have two 10 pounders, 1 five pounder, and one 2 pounder.

I hang everyday for 3 sets of 15 minutes (I usually add 5 more minutes to the first two sets and maybe the third if I can). I do this morning and night. I try to separate the two sessions to about 12 hours apart. That way, I figure I’m hanging every 12 hours.

I’ve gained somewhere between a quarter inch to half an inch erect bone press in my first month of hanging. I haven’t been deligent on measuring, but I do know it’s definitely longer. And I’ve definitely started to gain in flacid length again in this second try (been back about a week or two after my rest).

Anyway, I have 27 pounds in the bag which I can lift off the floor for only the first set (unlike 17 pounds for all 3 sets). But I still keep the 27 pounds for the last two sets because I like to concentrate on the “pulling” sensation that I feel right below my balls (at the taint area). I get a more fatigued feeling this way.

Anyway, that’s my routine and results so far.

9x6,

>But does this apply to the penis shaft or the lig/tunica?<

First, we have to get our nomenclature in sync. The tunica is a part of the ‘shaft’ that is the limiting factor in both length and girth for the shaft. The tunica is the tough fibrous sheath that surrounds the chambers.

The ligs are not part of the shaft, but do allow, when stretched, for more of the shaft to be expressed outside of the body when there exists internal potential.

>Girth increases the penis shaft. Hanging stretches the lig/tunica. <

Girth increases come from stretching/growing the lateral bonds of the tunica. Hanging stretches/grows the longtitudenal bonds of the tunica, and/or stretches/grows the ligs to allow for more shaft expression.

>How does one affect the other?<

Concerning the point of your question, girth vs length, the ligs are not involved. What is a concern is the strength of the tunica. Anytime collagenous tissues are put under a stress, they thicken and toughen. This is the bodily response to the stresses.

So, if you do girth work first, the areas that receive the stresses will begin to slowly add collagenous material to the tunica, to attempt to prevent injury. The tunica actually adds strength from new material, so that when you attempt to go for length gains, the tunica becomes harder to stretch. To achieve the same gains, an individual will have to provide more time or force because of this added material and strength.

Now, if you do the reverse, and only go for increased tunica length, collagenous material will be added to the tunica, and it will be progressively harder to stretch/grow the tunica lengthwise, over time, unless breaks are taken during which the tissues return to a more normal, strength state. However, it should still be easier than if you have an increased girth tunica to begin.

In this case, when you begin your girth work, after length work is completed, what happens? Well, the tunica should be stronger, but what difference does that make. Girth increases are achieved by increasing the internal blood pressure within the tunica, thereby placing stresses within the tunica. If the tunica has become thicker from girth work, this requires more internal blood pressure, which is a function of stronger hands, or a couple of extra turns on your Uli thing, or clicks on your cable clamp. This is much easier to do, and easier for your penis to take, than having to go to tremendously high hanging weights to increase length.

>My thought is this… if girth affects the shaft, and hanging primarily affects lig/tunica, then increasing girth shouldn’t affect hanging.<

I hope you see how this question makes no sense. If not, ask questions.

>I was just wondering if I could do some ulis on my “upper shaft” now while I’m hanging and not adversely affect my hanging efforts. <

Another problem with doing girth work in conjunction with length work is that the length work could suffer. The reason is the fatigue factor, and not riding the fatigue to full effect. If you are hanging, and have a limited amount of time, as we all do, when you reach fatigue, your best progress will come while hanging fatigued, at a lower weight. Any time that girth work takes from this hanging fatigue time is a waste.

Now, if you reach total fatigue, simply cannot hang anymore, then I see nothing wrong with doing some head and upper shaft girth work. This will tend to make hanging easier. It seems the larger the head, upper shaft, the better anchor for hanging.

>This also raises the question of jelqing while hanging too. I’ve read that it shouldn’t be done or that it’s a wast of time… but I’ve read others doing both so I’m wondering if I should jelq too to maximize my length increases from getting both from jelqing and hanging. But I prefer hanging.<

You should always jelq, at least lightly, at the end of your hanging session, in order to return complete circulation. Also, BTB jelqing between sets, and a little jelqing when you unwrap, if you unwrap.

Congratulations on your gains. Try to hang during a session to fatigue, and then HAVE to lower the weight.

You have the greatest tool for success in PE, a thirst for knowledge. Good questions.

Bigger

good thread

Thanks bib! Great answers. I completely understand now and can make a confident decision that I will concentrate exclusively on hanging and do girth work later. I can see that my confusion had a lot to do with my not understanding penis anatomy and nomenclature.

I’ve since looked up some anatomy pictures which is helping a great deal. I still haven’t found anything on the tunica yet, but I’ll find something.

I want to know what I’m “working” because I’ve noticed that experimenting even with the slightest changes has drastic differences and affects.

For instance, when I’ve placed the hanger back slightly further than an inch behind the glans so that it can get hold of the internal structures of the shaft and then bunch it up around the glans, I eventually get a numbing sensation in my penis. And, just as importantly, I don’t feel the entire stretch from the glans all the way to the taint area. I just feel a stretch at the base of my penis—that’s it.

However, if I position the hanger less than an inch behind the glans, not “bunch up” the internal structures, and have the hanger rest on the side shoulders/ridges of my slightly engored glans, I get a stretch from the glans all the way throught the shaft and especially at the taint area. In my ignorance, I thought that this taint area was the tunica. This is where I feel the pulling/stretch and (sometimes) fatique the most.

Of course, this does cause pressure on my glans and so I can last only three sets. My glans becomes too irritated before I can completely fatigue. I try to keep the pressure down and I enjoy the engorged glans (I think you mentioned this may increase the size, right?) I’m hoping that I will wear down the tunica and begin to fatigue eventually. By the way, is there an exact place I should feel “fatigue” when doing ots? I think you mentioned that you can get gains without fatigue, but I definitely want to hang in a fatigue state like you’ve recommended. Trying to get there.

Anyway, thanks again. Back to reading the boards.

9x6,

>By the way, is there an exact place I should feel “fatigue” when doing ots?<

I usually felt it through the entire shaft, including inner.

Bigger

Here’s a corollary question: If the focus is on length, should jelqing be minimized, other than a few strokes during the length workout (as described above)? I have been hanging 1-2 hours BTC each day and jelqing 200-300 strokes twice a day, thinking I was hitting both ligs and tunica at the same time (as jelqing is kinda good for both).

I’ve noticed some girth gains jelqing (not permanent, but certainly present) since doing this routine a couple of weeks. Should I drop jelqing until length gains are complete?

Hope this adds to the discussion and isn’t a hijack…:)

Another question… because my maximum sets right now is three for ots because my glans can’t take much more at that angle, I’ve started to do a set btc. My Lot is about 7. I’m also thinking of doing over the leg too. So maybe 1 set of btc and 1 set each over the right and left legs. Or maybe 3 sets of btc and none over the legs. I think i have enough time to do six sets of 15 to 20 minutes. It seems btc and ots are the way to go as bib said he gained from these angles. are there any gains to be made from over the leg or straight out?

i’m wondering what would be the best use of my time.

thanks.

9X6
I’m not BIB, but I would say yes. But you have to remember BTC worked for BIB because that’s what he needed. We have to figure out what works for each of us individually. I imagine BIB had a really high LOT to begin with (along with his high exit point) thats why he did alot of BTC and SO work.

People with lower LOTS (like you and me) would fare better with OTS thru SO and OTL. I imagine OTL would also be good for the tunica as well.

Hope this helps. Peace

What bbs said.

Bigger

What’s your opinion on my question regarding jelq and hanging?

ten D,

>What’s your opinion on my question regarding jelq and hanging?

Do you mean me? I assume so.

>Should I drop jelqing until length gains are complete?<

Yes, except for the light jelqing described above, I would concentrate all my efforts into attempting to stress one set of tissues, at one angle, at a time. Divide and conquer.

There is plenty of time for working on heavy jelq sessions at a later time.

Bigger