Hanging: Weight <->Time: Sore feeling

Hi guys,

yes, I know this subject has been discussed several times. And the word “several” certainly is an understatement. But it would be nice to hear some comments or advices from your side.

I started out, or lets say better I resumed hanging in september with 14 lbs, 14 - 16 hours per week, only SO due to my low (6-7:00) LOT. After 2 weeks, I recognized that I do not become sore any longer. And after 2 further weeks, the sore feeling was almost gone. So, I went up to 16-17 lbs. I really became sore, and I did 40-60 min a day with 17 lbs (rest, ~ 1 1/2 h, was with less weight).
But then I had to take some rest days (10) because my skin was reallly in a bad shape. After that I resumed with 14 - 17 lbs, but I noticed that even with 17 lbs I do not get sore any longer. Means, the tissues of my dick have become very tough during these 10 days off. Consequence: I increased the weight up to 19 - 20 lbs and did kinda shock routine: In the morning and in the evening I hang 2x10min sets with 20 lbs and the rest, ~ 1 1/2 h, with reduced weight, 17-14 lbs.
After having done this for 3 weeks now, I have really difficulties to become sore now. Even with my 20 lbs. To increase the weight seems (and it really is) impossible to me as I am uncut and often get troubles with my skin.

So my question is: Is this normal? I mean the “loss” or soreness? I mean, I do get sore, no question. But first of all, this soreness vanishes very quickly: 2 hours after having accomplished my last set I don’t feel anything no more.

Second: The degree of the sore feeling is much less than during my 17 lbs routine before I had to take off the 10 days.

Third: How can I describe these sore feelings when I hang SO? During the first 2 months of hanging SO I always could feel a sore feeling when I coughed of when I did a sit-up. This is not typical for SO-hanging but more for lig-stretching, isn’t it? Conclusion: Though I hang SO I also worked on my ligs. Maybe no real Tunica work. Maybe I do not detect my LOT correctly. (Stretch out your “man”, flex your PC-muscle, at the point where you get no more tugback when you flex your PC, this is your LOT, right?)
But now, this typical soreness indicating actually lig stretch has gone.
What do I feel now? - Well, when I squeeze my shaft around the pubic bone and in a distance of 1-2 inches away from the pubic bone, I can feel an aching, more or less strong. But after two hours, this aching is gone!! Normal???
Also, when I hang SO, I realize, that when I hit the upper angles by swinging the weight - I hang SO in a little bit uncomfortable way, but this uncomfortable way allows me to hang the full weight without any friction losses due to pulleys of whatever - the aching increases. So I think that I have to work more on the upper angles (> 9:00). But, here if possible at all, the detection of the soreness is difficult. And if present, like mentioned above, it is gone after 2 hours. Behind the balls? Yes, I read this somewhere, but when you squeeze the muscles/tissues there you can always feel an aching, can’t you?

Questions: Would you recommend to hang with less weight for a longer time, as I am not able to stand higher weights? 3-4 hours a day.
Is it normal to loose the sore feeling so quickly?
Should I try to hang BTC also? Because here I noticed even with less weight a good stretch/traction. Maybe because I have not worked on the longer angles at all. Maybe, though I have a low LOT, there is tiny potential.

Guys, I know, lot of text, but I will appreciate any comment.

Bye
Mig

P.S.: Hanging since september, gains: negative!

Mig,

I can’t really help you being quite a newbie at hanging myself, but I think this is an important question and I hope the veterans notice.

I’m currently trying to get a good routine going myself, but I’ve been wondering the same things. Also related to this “no soreness” - problem I think is the matter of determining LOT. I read the “LOT theory” and some other LOT thread (can’t recall the name of the thread) that made a fairly good job at descibing how to measure LOT but I haven’t really seen a clear, FAQ- like description of it. Just a lot of “- Is it done like this? - No, like that. - Like this? - Umm, no, like this. - OK, so like this? - Not exactly…” , if you know what I mean.

You see, I think even a :30 error in measurement can affect your routine greatly. I considered my LOT to be 8:00 and so I thought I should do mostly straight down / BTC hanging; When I really re-checked the LOT (standing up, I might add — it’s slightly different when sitting down, I think) it seems to be 7:30. At 7:00 the tugback is clearly diminished but at 7:30 there is visible motion at the head that is not caused by the shaft transmitting the pull from the ligs, so I determined this to be my LOT. Of course it turned my routine upside down, now I think I benefit mostly from SO / upwards hanging. You see the problem? There should be a short tutorial video that clearly shows what amount of lessened tugback can be considered a LOT angle. I could do it myself if I had the means, it should only take like 15 seconds of video to go through flexing the PC muscle at 10,9,8,7 and 6 o’clock.

And the soreness is related to the LOT issue. When I hang straight down, I can feel a tremendous pull at the ligs, the skin is not tight above the hanger so it seems to promise length gains — but considering a LOT of less than 8:00, say 7:30 to 7:00 for a fair error margin — there shouldn’t be as much potential for gains as the feeling would imply? Soreness? Adjusting my routine I can get sore ligs or sore behind the balls, no problem, but will that ever amount to anything?

I would think the best way to get sore (without adding weight) would be exactly to change the direction of hanging, but if it really doesn’t do the trick according to your LOT (even though it might feel like it did) is it a waste of time? Would there be better gains if hung according to LOT, even without such levels of soreness that could be achieved using “wrong” directions of hanging?

Damn, this message didn’t come out right at all. Please ask which part of my rant you don’t understand, I’ll try to clarify…

six(½ ;) )

Good idea of the tutorial vid for the LOT sixrod. Will be brilliant that some of us who have cam could do that vid…

Mig,

>Even with my 20 lbs. To increase the weight seems (and it really is) impossible to me as I am uncut and often get troubles with my skin.<

Be sure to get a good Vit E lotion to use liberally on your skin.

>So my question is: Is this normal? I mean the “loss” or soreness? I mean, I do get sore, no question. But first of all, this soreness vanishes very quickly: 2 hours after having accomplished my last set I don’t feel anything no more. <

Yes, this is normal. At least it was for me. Usually, after a day of hanging resulting in total fatigue, I could hang again that night with little discomfort.

>The degree of the sore feeling is much less than during my 17 lbs routine before I had to take off the 10 days.<

The effect of the stresses is cumulative, both in gains and in discomfort. During the ten days, you probably healed completely. It might take a while to create enough deformation to get back into a fatigued state.

>Conclusion: Though I hang SO I also worked on my ligs. Maybe no real Tunica work. Maybe I do not detect my LOT correctly.<

Depending on your true SO angle of hang, the ligs could still be taking some of the stress. If your LOT is really as low as you have found, why have you not hung at higher angles, preferably OTS?

>What do I feel now? - Well, when I squeeze my shaft around the pubic bone and in a distance of 1-2 inches away from the pubic bone, I can feel an aching, more or less strong. But after two hours, this aching is gone!! Normal???<

This is not unusual.

>Questions: Would you recommend to hang with less weight for a longer time, as I am not able to stand higher weights? 3-4 hours a day.<

All that you can do is to hang the max weight possible, for the amount of time available. But I would stress that you need to experiment with wrap and hanger settings to try and find a more comfortable situation. As long as you HAVE to reduce weight during a session because of fatigue, then you are making progress. But you need to work the upper angles, OTS especially.

>Is it normal to loose the sore feeling so quickly?<

It is not unusual, especially for guys that have been hanging for a while.

>Should I try to hang BTC also? Because here I noticed even with less weight a good stretch/traction. Maybe because I have not worked on the longer angles at all. Maybe, though I have a low LOT, there is tiny potential.<

You surely should try it if you have questions about your LOT. But, if your LOT is truely that low, then it would be better to experiment with OTS.

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