so hanging and tightness/fatigue

BIB
I’m working on SO hanging (including several different lateral angles but all on the same SO “plane”. ) In all of this I feel varying degrees of tightness all over the front area of the pubis (is that what it’s called?) . This area is from the crease in both legs to the whole area above the cock, extending up about 5 inches.

My question is:
Is this tightness from the tunica? (I know it isn’t skin!) If not ,what am I stretching here? Ligs? I thought lig stretches were more BTC or Straight Down …

Just wanted to understand clearly what is it that is being stretched here.

Thanks very much.
9soon

9soon,

From your description, I would say it sounds like ligs. Either that or skin. What is your LOT? If it is very high, even the SO angles can very well stress the ligs. BTC is simply the most severe angle for lig work.

Bigger

BIB -

My LOT is 8:00. Used to be 7:30. I’ve been doing mainly SO. Isn’t a rule of thumb for hanging:

With low LOT, hang above the LOT angle,
with high LOT, hang below the LOT angle …

Do I have this right?

(I really don’t think I’m feeling skin being pulled because the sensation is definitely inside and doesn’t have the same feeling I’ve felt before with skin being stretched.)

But then again, I thought the ligs had a specific location, and are not all over the front pubic area I’ve described.

Isn’t this the same for the tunica’s location where it attaches to the body?

Or could the tunica’s attachment to the body be spread somewhat evenly around the front pubic area?

Thanks again.
9soon

[quote]Or could the tunica’s attachment to the body be spread somewhat evenly around the front pubic area?[quote]

Suspensory lig attaches to the front of the pubic bone. Tunica goes inside the body cavity, attaches to the backside of the pubic bone.

Sounds like suspensory ligs to me, especially with a LOT of 8 still.

RB,

Actually, part of that is wrong. The tunica seperates into three bulbs, and is anchored well within the body, close to the anus, not on the backside of the pubic bone.

9soon,

>Isn’t a rule of thumb for hanging:

With low LOT, hang above the LOT angle,
with high LOT, hang below the LOT angle<

Hmmmm, that is a loaded question. If your LOT is very low, 6-7, the lower angles, stressing the ligs, is not going to help you very much, because the lig will have little potential for gains.

If you LOT is high, 8 or above, then your ligs probably have the potential for gain, and you should hang at the lower angles, headed toward BTC.

But I would not say it is a hard and fast rule.

>But then again, I thought the ligs had a specific location, and are not all over the front pubic area I’ve described.<

The ligs attach in a manner not far off from what you have described. If, while hanging SO you notice the area in a ‘fan’ shape, you are probably seeing the ligs. They can attach rather high. I know this because my do/did.

>Isn’t this the same for the tunica’s location where it attaches to the body?<

Yes, the tunica anchors well within the body though, not close to the pubic bone.

>Or could the tunica’s attachment to the body be spread somewhat evenly around the front pubic area?<

We might be on the same page here, but I am not sure. The tunica only attaches to the pubic bone by way of the ligs, suspensory and fundiform. It anchors deep in the body by way of other connective tissue to the pelvic girdle. I hope West will correct me if that is not exactly right.

If you are feeling and seeing the stress on the front pubic area, it is probably either skin and/or ligs.

Bigger

BIB -

That’s exactly what it is - a “fan” shaped area in the front of the pubic region where I feel the stretch during SO (on different planes). Actually, I have a very similar sensation during BTC.

I’m going to assume these are ligs, and work on BTC accordingly.

Another question:

What is the significance of my LOT changing from 7:30 to 8:00? Is this an indication of progress or gains-to-come? Does this mean I’m on the right track here?

Thanks very much for your help on this.
9soon

Learned my new thing for the day. This is counter to the mental pic I had in my mind from an anatomy diagram put up a loooong time ago…

So, the tunica is anchored to other “soft” tissue? If so, I’m having a tough time imagining it taking so much weight to stress the damn thing. Are we really then stretching and expanding the tunica, or the soft(er) tissues they attach to, allowing more of what exists to be expressed from the body? Perhaps I need to re-check my LOT to make sure my ligs aren’t coming into play again…

9soon,

>What is the significance of my LOT changing from 7:30 to 8:00? Is this an indication of progress or gains-to-come? Does this mean I’m on the right track here? <

It appears that you have increased your LOT through hanging SO, pulling out more of the inner shaft, and tightening the ligs somewhat. You may either keep on this track for a while to see if you can pull out more, raising your LOT more, or you can switch to BTC to perhaps realize some gains from lig stretch.

RB,

>So, the tunica is anchored to other “soft” tissue?<

Actually, it is not so ‘soft’. It is other collagenous tissue. which connects the bulbs, tunica to the pelvic bones.

>If so, I’m having a tough time imagining it taking so much weight to stress the damn thing. Are we really then stretching and expanding the tunica, or the soft(er) tissues they attach to, allowing more of what exists to be expressed from the body? Perhaps I need to re-check my LOT to make sure my ligs aren’t coming into play again<

When I would hang at the upper angles, from SO to OTS, I would usually feel the stress deep within my body. It believe I was stressing the inner tunica, and the anchor points. I cannot say which provided more gains, or if the anchor points provided any gains.

I think it is wise to re-check your LOT often, at least once per month, or whenever you measure for gains.

Bigger

RB, 9soon,

This is interesting for me to read this thread. I to get the fan spread shape happening while hanging in the SO position. (only when I get my hanging right mind you. Still req heaps more practice yet)

I feel my inner shaft stretching when I get the hanging right but I feel much more of an intense stretch in the lhs of the fan shaped area. I was trying to work out if it is my attachment point of the tunica or the ligs (on the lhs) taking the stress.

I am now thinking it was the ligs.

So I am also thinking that my angle of SO is not steep enough to really give the tunica the full work out it req’s. My Lot is low around 7.30 and my SO hanging position is an angle of around 9 to 9.30. I am thinking that I may need to up the angle considerably to OTS to really target the tunica only.

I suspect I am achieving stuff all results by hanging only marginally above my lot value.

GMJ

Bib, quick refresher?

To properly identify LOT, I should lose the tug back in the shaft, not the glans, right?

So, best bet is to hold onto the shaft, not the glans?

How much of a loss should I be looking for? Complete loss, or the point in which the tug back greatly subsides but is still noticeable?

RB,

>To properly identify LOT, I should lose the tug back in the shaft, not the glans, right?

So, best bet is to hold onto the shaft, not the glans?<

I say hold on to the head and stretch. That way will give the least resistance from skin.

>How much of a loss should I be looking for? Complete loss, or the point in which the tug back greatly subsides but is still noticeable?<

When loss of tugback becomes noticeable, it means the ligs are taking the stretch rather than the tunica. That is about the angle where you know the ligs will be affected by hanging or stretching. A more severe angle up will affect only tunica. A more severe angle down will affect only ligs.

Bigger

Hmmmm… Just did a quick standing up test.

Prior to hitting upper angles exclusively, I figured my lot to be around 7:30. Now, it appears to be more like 8:30 to 9 (I plan to check this again tonight while lying down). At 9 there is still a bit of tug back, but not at all like there is at 10 and above. Apparently, I was having success with my tunica efforts, but they aren’t showing up on the ruler like I thought they would.

Knowing now how the tunica attaches in the body, perhaps what I’m experiencing is my tunica and/or it’s attachment points have lengthened creating additional length potential, but my ligs are preventing it from being expressed from my body?

I had assumed I would see BPEL gains from tunica stretching. Since it’s been months since I’ve focused on ligs, I’m thinking perhaps I should stop my 6 week break and hit BTC for awhile to see what happens, as the ligs should be thoroughly deconditioned? And while doing so, my tunica will de-condition?

I need to sort this all out. Just wish the fucking pollen in the air would allow my brain to do so… :(

BIB -

Very interesting…

In your reply, you stated:

“It appears that you have increased your LOT through hanging SO, pulling out more of the inner shaft, and tightening the ligs somewhat. You may either keep on this track for a while to see if you can pull out more, raising your LOT more, or you can switch to BTC to perhaps realize some gains from lig stretch.”

I really want to understand this LOT movement principle.

So the overall dynamic here (perhaps in my case) would be to work back and forth between both SO and BTC, depending on the upward movement of LOT?

Thanks again.

9soon

RB,

>Knowing now how the tunica attaches in the body, perhaps what I’m experiencing is my tunica and/or it’s attachment points have lengthened creating additional length potential, but my ligs are preventing it from being expressed from my body?<

Exactly correct.

>I had assumed I would see BPEL gains from tunica stretching.<

Only to the extent the ligs will allow. An analogy that is not exactly proper is a hinge. If indeed you have pulled out more inner tunica, it will be expressed only to the extent the ligs will allow. IOW, the ligs would allow an erection to swing more up, but not out. This may or may not be expressed in a higher erection angle.

This pulling up, then out effect is what hobby apply termed the see-saw effect. I think it makes perfect sense.

>Since it’s been months since I’ve focused on ligs, I’m thinking perhaps I should stop my 6 week break and hit BTC for awhile to see what happens, as the ligs should be thoroughly deconditioned?<

If you have not worked them at all in more than six weeks, they probably will be decoditioned.

>And while doing so, my tunica will de-condition?<

The inner tunica, yes, if you only do BTC.

9soon,

>So the overall dynamic here (perhaps in my case) would be to work back and forth between both SO and BTC, depending on the upward movement of LOT?<

I believe the most effective strategy is to work the ligs in the beginning, getting as much gains as possible, until gains stop, and the LOT drops to the 6-7 range. This should take months. Then, work the upper angles, preferably OTS for months, until the LOT rises above 8 or so, regardless of gains. Then repeat the process again and again.

I believe in either instance, this is the major cause of plateaus.

In either case, the secondary angle can be around the SO angle.

Bigger

Bib.

Sounds like a plan.

Thanks a bunch.