I have a hypothesis about PE, would anyone like to help me test it?

there’s a contradiction here: if total volume is an immutable number (which I personally doubt), how can u claim that eventually after gaining length, “girth is easy to gain”? that’s a logical non sequitur, according to your theory you’d lose all length gains as you trade them back for girth.

Interesting theme. I will be on the lookout for follow-up.

Interesante tema. Estaré al pendiente del seguimiento.

In the paradigm I’d like to test, possible penile dimensions are arbitrary so long as they accommodate existing penis volume, but some PE techniques are better at gaining volume than others (which is something I think we can all take for granted).

Gains to girth contribute more to volume than gains to length, though it seems not everyone has equal results while pursuing girth gains. The disparity between those that gain girth easily or don’t might come down to the routines used, some difference inherent to the individuals, or whether or not the penis has been conditioned in a way that precludes easy girth gains.

My experience with pumping has been that while girth can be converted to length, I’ve not experienced length being converted to girth yet. Though this might be something that happens as well.

It’s possible that something about the structure of the capillaries in the penis causes them to grow more when stretched girthwise than lengthwise. Capillary remodeling and the sequence of events that determine the morphology of a capillary bed is complicated and not entirely understood yet. I’ve got some ideas about why this might be the case, but I don’t want to spawn a possibly wrong theory of PE unless I’ve got observations or testing backing it up. I’ve evaluated many things privately that seemed like they would work, but didn’t work when tested. I think PE should be evidence based.

If girth can be converted to length and retain the same volume within a short time frame, it will completely redefine how we evaluate PE. It’s worth investigating.

To recreate the conditions of my previous experience where girth seemed to convert to length while keeping about the same volume.

At the time, I had switched from a large diameter pump to a smaller one, and I also used a light weight hanger of .5 lb.. Upon examining my own PE history, I noticed the volume stayed the same and that made me question if the dimensions of the penis are arbitrary.

I have attributed my length gains to the light weight hanger mostly, but I started using the light weight hanger when I switched to a smaller diameter tube. By replicating this without the hanger, it will simultaneously eliminate the idea that the hanger addition caused the length gains while also proving the dimensions of the penis are arbitrary and convertible, at least from girth to length. I’m open to all data to validate or invalidate this idea of conversion, if someone is using a hanger as well it would be appreciated.

Hello Sigmoid!
After reading numerous threads here it seems like most people gain length much easier than girt. I guess that’s the case in 9 out of 10 men doing serious PE.

Another thing, when I doing more of a girt routine (pumping) I seem to lose some length almost immediately. Exactly like your theory but in the opposite way.

That’s not really true. I set up a poll and the results show that 57% of men find it easier to gain length while 36% find it easier to gain girth. (7% found it easy to gain both.)

Here’s the poll. There’s still time to vote before it closes.

Poll: Which Is Easier for You? Length Gains or Girth Gains?

I like this theory and wish it to be true, but my experience would suggest it isn’t. I started pumping after exhausting my easy length gains. I was hoping to gain more length and see length expansion in the tube. My girth at the time was about 5.8 and my first tube was 2” (6.3) . I was bummed when my length in the tube was the same as my max BPEL. So I bought a 1.75 (5.5) tube. I packed most of this tube and only saw a .125 length increase over the larger unpacked tube. I used the 1.75 tube for about 2 months. No length increase, no meg but I did gain some girth on the thinner areas of shaft and gland making things more uniform and less torpedo in shape. I then bought a 1.5 (4.75) tube. I used a lot of lube and entered flaccid. I thought, OK all my girth is free to go to length. I saw .125 more length in tube. I used this tube for about a month before throwing it out. I gained nothing from it. I have done some experimenting with pumping. Packed cylinders for length, cycle pumping, and pumping up to high neg pressures. No appreciable length gains from pumping. I have gained all my length from manual stretching. Pumping just can’t reproduce the kind of stretching force needed for me to gain length. I suspect this to be true for most if easy length gains are exhausted. Pumping is a great girth exercise for me and I really enjoy it. My current routine is 3-4 Hg for 40 minutes with heat. I am now 6” in girth and pack most of my 2” tube. Some might get different results and I will be following this thread to see if they do.

Alexanderking, did you do the manual stretching concurrently with the pumping in the 2” tube that got you to 6” girth?

Manual stretching has been the foundation of my PE routines. I got a lot of base girth from it alone but not much meg. Since pumping my manual stretching has been more of a light maintenance type routine of maybe 5 minutes before pumping. In the past few months my girth is taking off with low pressure 40 minutes, once per day, four days on 2 days off. Recently I got a vibrating sleeve that I use after pumping to keep max erection for 15-30 minutes and it gets me crazy thick. I don’t want to derail the topic. If you have questions you can pm me or start another thread.

I meant the question with regards to Sigmoids premise and the insights you have regarding it. Which you answered thanks!

I’ve read of other people experiencing a shortening of length when doing girth routines too, I wonder if that’s expressed after long term girth PE though. It would be just as big of a deal if length could be converted to girth.

I guess I should have prefaced this entire thing in the context of post newb gains. It does seem like gaining length is very easy for people new to PE, and I’m not sure why that is. I’m not 100% sure about my assumption that gaining girth is easier than gaining length past the newbie gains window, but that’s been what I observed for myself. Regardless of that though, .25" of circumference gain contributes much more to volume than .25" of length gain. If they can be converted, .25" gain to circumference is much more valuable.

That’s disappointing. My own experience with gaining length, which is very hard to really evaluate because of doing more than one type of PE at once, is that lighter forces on lengthening are more effective over time than higher forces that cause contraction of the tissue. It also might have to do with the time you have spent pumping. My own testing showed that over 20 minutes was counter productive and a 1 hour session completely stopped gains.

Would you be willing to repeat the experiment without manual stretching or high vacuum pressures? Also what lubricant are you using? I think for this purpose coconut oil would be the best to eliminate possible friction.

I wonder if I should redefine my request to follow particular parameters that I’ve verified caused growth for me to eliminate as many uncontrolled parameters as possible.

Thank you for the information. This hypothesis might very well be wrong and proving it wrong is just as important as proving it correct, since a lot of time and energy might be wasted if this hypothesis just floats around without it either being verified or debunked.