Fountain of Youth

Tyler Parr’s original (2001) in Medical Hypotheses article doesn’t seem to have been much cited by anyone in the field since it’s publication. Medical Hypotheses is an interesting journal, it is editor as opposed to peer-reviewed and their criteria for inclusion is somewhat different:

"Traditionally, editorial review is the main alternative to peer review. A scientist editor or editorial team applies a sieve, with varying degrees of selectivity, to research submissions. Strictly, this process should not attempt to predict whether ideas and facts are "true," because truth can be established only in retrospect. Instead, editorial selection works within constraints of subject matter on the basis of factors such as potential importance and interest, clarity and appropriateness of expression, and broad criteria of scientific plausibility. Even probably untrue papers may be judged worth publishing if they contain aspects (ideas, perspectives, data) that are potentially stimulating to the development of future science." (Charlton, 2007). Charlton is the editor.

The journal acts as a podium for new ideas but makes no claims as to their correctness. I’m not in a position to evaluate his research however I’d caution against Parr’s protocol since too little is known about the middle and long term effects of following it. Additionally Parr’s research seems based on hearsay (28 people who followed his protocol (Parr, 2001)) and on himself - and the article does not seem to contain much quantitative information (blood assays, etc). Moreover, the whole thing seems a bit hit and run because he has not published since then. The research may very well be valuable but as I said I’d advise caution. Just my opinion, maybe others better informed, can provide some additional information.

References:

Parr, T.B., 2001. A new technique to elevate night time growth hormone release and a potential growth hormone feedback control loop. Medical Hypotheses, 56(5), 610-613. Available from: http://dx.doi.o … /mehy.2000.1161

Parrs research is inadequate. He provides literally no evidence whatsoever that this works and there hasn’t been any new information on this forever from him it seems. I’d stay clear of this. I was initially intrigued but came to my senses.

Guys it’s a supplement not a miracle or anything, it’s the timing of the supplement that makes it work better than any other supplement I have ever used. All we are doing is combining two amino acids and taking them at bed it’s not like shooting up with roids or Internet HGH.

So you still taking it dino? The measuring of the stuff seemed too much of a hassle to me. What are you doing if you don’t mind explaining and how is it effected you?

Have you had your 2nd puberty? HONK HONK

Hey Bro

I measure by eye, it’s two tiny pinches in some water and a 500mg pill, it’s not hard but if I do add to much I have trouble sleeping, but when I get the mixture right I sleep like a baby. The results are the usual awesome night wood all night, very horny all the time, aggression level way to high sometimes but confidence level also very high. The aggression thing scares me a little because I naturally have a problem with authority as it is and I have way to many bosses that need a beat down:) . I’m going to cycle the stuff but I haven’t decided how yet, maybe a month on and a week off but I’m not sure.

As of right now I’m not PE’ing or working out I needed a break from both, I did start jogging again but it’s only been a week or so.

It was nice to see this revived. The longerhealthylife site is gone, but https://www.archive.org is your friend. archive.org caches websites.

Anyway, last night, I decided to try this again. However, after 3 hours of not eating, I simply took P-5-P (related to Vitamin B6), and had the same effect: long, vivid dreams, erections just about all night long, and a little bit of brain fog in the morning.

I recally a few years ago that the 500mg ALCAR+25mg Ornithine worked, so I will try that tonight.

I was just looking for it also BigFatLuvRocket on the way back machine, I guess smart minds think alike :) .

This is the formula, but you should read the site before doing it.

http://web.arch ive.org/web/200 … .com/index.html

GH & Improving Your Health: Formula

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Be forewarned, this technique is very powerful. Using more of the components than suggested will provide you with far too much Growth Hormone (GH) release. This is not to be ignored, I am really not kidding at all. One person who insisted on trying this without understanding how powerful this is, immediately told me that this is ‘way too powerful’. Get it right to begin with, too much GH release is not in your interest. I remind you that this information is purely for your personal use, this technique is Patent Pending 2000 by Tyler Parr, with all rights reserved.

Our formula consists of two parts: 1.) a method to increase your natural growth hormone (GH) output and 2.) protection against optional cell divisions by intake of bioflavonoids or polyphenols 3-5 hours after your largest meal. This is a balanced, carefully crafted system that is carefully designed to maximize benefit and minimize risk. DON’T DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.

1.) Enhancing Your Own ‘Natural’ GH Secretion Technique
GH secretion increase is obtained by a "just before nightly sleep" oral intake of a mixture of 500 milligrams of acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR) along with between 20 and 30 milligrams of L-ornithine. Both genders need to take this mixture just before going to sleep at night (also at least 3 hours after last eating), it will not have any effect if taken at any other time of day *(See Note below) ! Eating within 3 hours of this ‘at sleep’ intake of this mixture will compete with uptake of these compounds and largely prevent any GH elevation. Premenstrual women are slightly more sensitive to the amount of L-ornithine, and have an optimum around 20-25 milligrams of L- ornithine (along with the 500 milligrams of ALCAR). Postmenopausal women and all men have optimums around 25-30 milligrams of L-ornithine along with the 500 milligrams of ALCAR. I have found little variation with age, but suggest a starting point of 25 milligrams of L-ornithine and 500 milligrams of ALCAR. This can be adjusted up or down (more or less L-ornithine component) by your own feedback response (too much, too little), but should never go over 30 milligrams of L-ornithine. You cannot improve your health by taking more, you may even injure it. You also cannot hurry the gradual process of return to healthier status, it takes almost a year to reverse much of the physiologic declines of age (that remain reversible).

There are two easy ways to make this mixture up:
A.) Use a milligram balance to weigh out the 25 milligrams of L-ornithine (or 20 or 30 milligrams)and dissolve this in a small glass of water that is taken with a 500 milligram capsule of ALCAR (or 2 capsules of 250 milligrams of ALCAR).

Since most people don’t have access to milligram balances, there is another way.

B.) Using a small tightly capped plastic container, empty the contents of 500 milligrams (mg) ALCAR Capsules into the container as described below:

FOR 20 milligrams L-Ornithine

& 500 milligrams of ALCAR

FOR 25 milligrams L-Ornithine

& 500 milligrams of ALCAR

FOR 30 milligrams L-Ornithine

& 500 milligrams of ALCAR
Empty 25 capsules of 500 mg ALCAR (save the entire empty gelatin capsules) (or 50 capsules of 250 mg ALCAR) Empty 1 (one) 500 milligram L-ornithine capsule (throw away that gelatin capsule) Close container and shake strongly (must shake strongly each time use!) Empty 20 capsules of 500 mg ALCAR (save the entire empty gelatin capsules) (or 40 capsules of 250 mg ALCAR) Empty 1 (one) 500 milligram L-ornithine capsule (throw away that gelatin capsule) Close container and shake strongly (must shake strongly each time use!) Empty 17 capsules of 500 mg ALCAR (save the entire empty gelatin capsules) (or 33 capsules of 250 mg ALCAR) Empty 1 (one) 500 milligram L-ornithine capsule (throw away that gelatin capsule) Close container and shake strongly (must shake strongly each time use!)

To get approximately 500 milligrams of this mixture after vigorous shaking, scoop up mixture to fill the empty (former ALCAR) gelatin capsule(s) (1 of the 500 mg capsules or 2 of the 250 mg capsules)and recap. Take the refilled capsule(s) with a small glass of water just before sleep. You can also weight out approximately 525 mg of this mixture ** (See 2nd Note below) and fill an empty large gelatin capsule that can be purchased in a health food store. Please excuse the inconvenience of this preparation, but now you know why we believe you will be glad to buy the inexpensive commercial product which will be marketed later. For now, you get a chance to gain the benefits of better maintenance. Do not drink alcohol when taking these mixtures as the ALCAR inhibits your metabolism of alcohol .

PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU CANNOT BE TAKING OTHER AMINO ACIDS (or any other Food or supplements) DURING THE 3 HOUR FAST THAT MUST PROCEED TAKING THIS AT SLEEP - THEY WILL COMPETE WITH UPTAKE OF THESE AMINO ACIDS. TAKE ONLY THIS ! (OTHERWISE IT WON’T WORK !)

2.) Protection against optional cell division
Obtain from your health food store or mail order supplier the Twin Laboratories products of ‘Wine and Grape Polyphenols’ and/or ‘GreenTea polyphenols’ (or merely ground green tea in gelatin capsules). See the menu section on Sources & Refs for more information. We suggest these because they seem dependable standards available around the country. Other sources of 500 milligrams of polyphenols or bioflavonoids will also work, but you must be careful to ensure that they are properly balanced for our goals. Some bioflavonoids (eg. citrus bioflavonoids) do not inhibit tyrosine kinases as we wish (and thus are of no use for this process) and some other bioflavonoids (eg. quercetin) are too potent as inhibitors. I strongly suggest the Twin Laboratories products or the Green Tea polyphenols until you get a feel for this system. I suggest one week of using each source in succession - greater diversity of sources here means greater protection. This 500 milligrams of Bioflavonoids or polyphenols is taken 4-6 hours after the largest meal of the day. You should notice that your skin will noticeably cool off within an hour after taking these bioflavonoids or polyphenols. Older or frail individuals may even experience a chilling drop in temperature, if you are experiencing chills or shivering, then you must decrease the amount of polyphenols you are taking. There is some individual variation that you will have to evaluate for yourself. This cooling of your skin temperature is a reflection of the down regulation taking place in your cells that blocks cell divisions and lowers your metabolic rate. The best way to protect yourself is to eat only a single meal a day and then use the bioflavonoid/polyphenols to prevent cell division after the 4-6 hours of luxurious protein synthesis, but since most people eat several meals a day, take these compounds 4-6 hours after your largest meal. Never take the bioflavonids or polyphenols within a hour of taking the ALCAR + L-ornithine mixture, this will create an unpleasant interaction.

You may start the growth hormone (ALCAR + L-Ornithine) supplement at 25-30 mg L-ornithine for a month before beginning this protection via bioflavonoids. This will allow you to confirm that you are actually getting increased effects of the GH supplementation, but then start taking the bioflavonoid protection. Don’t worry if you miss a day with the bioflavonoids or the GH enhancer, it is the long term we are concerned with. This is at least a year long process to greatly improve your health, then continuing to maintain that improvement for as long as possible.

Notes:

* - Premenopausal women have large ovary generated estrogen release spikes during the day that in tern drive GH release, thus, premenopausal women could take this mixture during the day (3 hours from last meal) and augment the estrogen caused GH release. This method works for some women, but is quite variable due to the variations in when the estrogen spikes occur. Because we want a reliable (same - day to day) GH output, this technique for premenopausal women shows too much variation for reliability(something we don’t want with GH output !!!). Ingesting this mixture 1 hour before very (extremely!) vigorous exercise to augment the magnitude of GH release (doesn’t work with moderate exercise), will also work in both genders, but again is too variable and requires too much physical activity for most people. Both of these options work, but not as well as the ‘just at night time sleep’ option. As this mixture does not trigger GH release, it only augments normal triggered release, the best time to ingest this mixture for both genders is just at sleep after 3 hours of no food intake. The reason for this is that it acts to greatly augment the very reliable first GH release at 1.5 hours into night time sleep.

**- An inexpensive gram scale balance that can reliable weigh out 500 mg +/- 20 mg for the final mixture is available for about $30 (US) from Edmund Scientific. This will allow very reproducible amounts of this mixture to be taken per day. This cannot be used to measure the 20-30 milligrams (mg) of L-ornithine (as in A above) because it is too inaccurate to be trusted for such small amounts. You can also invent other creative means of getting the 20, 25, or 30 milligrams of ornithine by various methods of subdividing a large amount, but beware that ornithine is a complete bacterial food with carbon, nitorgen, oxygen, and hydrogen atoms that will grow bacteria if they get a chance.

Edmund Scientific ………….Phone 1-609 547-3488
101 E. Glouchester Pike
Barrington, NJ 08007

This stuff is amazing for PE recovery, I started clamping again and after two days I would think it would effect my night wood but Last night I was almost worried because it would just not go down I really couldn’t get out of bed because it wouldn’t go down. If I’m not on this stuff and clamp at night it will severely curb my night wood. Even after sex I would have less night wood but with this stuff I’m painfully hard at night.

Guys still using this formula and enjoying it, the quality of my sleep has been great. Night wood all night and increased sexual drive. I’m going to stay on a few more weeks than take a break.

Besides the night wood, do you notice increased libido or stronger wood during the day (such as when you’re getting laid)?

Yeah I’m a horndog, it’s not like taking Viagra or anything but you no doubt think about tail more. As far as wood during sex it was already good.

What are you taking in the polythenol department? The polythenols are suppose to help prevent the ;possible cause of cancer from the GH uptake or something like that?

I would assume you would take ginkgo biloba or a high dose of green tea to get the necessary polythenols. Both are powerful anti oxidants. I myself would consider taking both ginkgo and green tea for the combined protection.

I just drink some green tea and I cycle off like I’m doing now, I really don’t think that it pumps your testosterone up so high you have to worry that much. This like other things is a good supplement and I think as long as you keep the formula mix at the suggested levels you shouldn’t have to worry if your not overly perfect with the anti cancer stuff.

How long do you cycle on/off the stuff?

Great! Another 300 post thread I’m going to have to read! This looks like a great topic for knowledge. Thanks for that recent posts Dino. It is nice to read follow-ups on old threads!