Originally Posted by Johnny Inches
Phantasm: Now I know in that link says a European study found an increase in test but I would be more inclined to believe the second study which showed nothing, I’m sure many more studies have proved that point. Another point to consider is that if Tribulus did in fact raise test level it would definitely not be so freely available in Australia and would definitely be on the IOC banned substance list, which it is not.
One problem with Tribulus is that some companies don’t include any of the active ingredient at all (which is protodioscin, not saponins).
See the lab report here http://216.119. 83.73/prod_imag … ibosten_lab.pdf
Also, you can have your testosterone assayed by a saliva exam for very little money.
The one herb that I KNOW raises test is tongkat ali, but like trib, very very little of it is legitimate. The only place I know that is legit is Tongkat Ali extracts for sex and Black Ginger (Kaempferia Parviflora) for weight loss. Also, unless you get a concentration of at least 1:50 root extract, it’s worthless.
It stimulates the leidig’s cells to produce more test and it can cause your dick and balls to grow. Cycle it.
It’s slightly expensive and you have to buy it from southeast asia, as there is only one legitimate plantation in the world. You can buy real tongkat elsewhere, but it doesn’t have the same concentrations of what you need, for some reason. I’ve tried most and finally gave up trying to find it cheaper because it was always crap stuff. Just bought 70 grams of 1:50 root extract (the minimum potency you should use — at 800mg - 1 gram per day) and use a capsule machine fill my own capsules. I also have 70 grams of 1:200 extract. I cycle 5 on 2 off. I don’t PE unless I’m using this stuff as I want the best results. I’m 51.
You might want to get a discount by buying with others. You also have to pass customs, which so far has been fine to the US.