Can You Guys believe this Drug?!?

Anyone?

I rate it OK it does increase libido and sometimes makes you horny has hell but it’s no replacement for Viagra and such. It was cheap I bought a years supply for 120 bucks so I will take it. I’m also curious now that my workout routine is doing good if it will help with fat lost and muscle growth. The only side is a stomach ache if you take to much which is a shame because when I do take to much I get very horny but being horny with a nausea stomach ain’t fun. Another side effect for me is it makes me very romantic during sex I have to really watch what I say. This would be a good thing for you married dudes but not for a single guy. The point is that it’s easier to confuse sex and love so be careful.

I rate it with a thumbs down. I have never felt anything from it at all. Not even any side effects. It’s almost like a placebo to me.

It is famous for causing stomach upset. If you haven’t felt anything, you might have a bogus drug or you are taking too little. I would slowly increase the dose. If you get to the point where you get nauseous, but no positive benefits, then I would say it isn’t working for you.

I’ve still got a pretty good bit left so I might give that a shot.

:hearton: Hooray for dopamine!

What I get from this statement and is what I suspect, is that men naturally have lower level of dopamine level when it come to sex. Or if the levels are the same naturally in men and women then it has less of an affect on men. It take this medication boost to actually make a single guy have “love” feelings. This kind of does give credence to the school of thought that men want sex more than love, most of the time and that it take this boost in dopamine level to actually make a man love a women.

Hooray even better for good fish oil - reminds me, anybody know of a really good (meaning pure, no Hg, no PCBs, etc) source of just DHA? I’ve got plenty of EPA in the oil I/we take but would like more of just the pure DHA. If I take any more of just fish oil . . . it won’t be pretty :D

Thanks,

MrTiPS

Out of the omega3-products that I have found, Biotest Flameout has the highest amount of DHA per dose (2.2g). I’d love to find a product with 4grams/dose.

Uh, shouldn’t this thread go to supplements? I think it’s worth keeping there so it stands a better chance of surviving. I’d also like to suggest, if possible, consolidating the supplements threads by drug or supplement name. That would keep each supplement where people could find it and concentrate all threads related to the same supplement or drug. Would make searching for particular topics a lot easier. I’ve never heard of this drug before but it interests me a great deal. I’d never have found it if the thread hadn’t been resurrected.

I haven’t been taking the stuff while I liked it I wasn’t impressed enough to be steady with it. I didn’t even mean to stop taking I just kept forgetting to take it until I said why bother. I may give it another try soon because I’m trying to lose some weight and was but I’m starting to get to that stuck spot.

It’s not a bad idea, but the mens sexual health forum is filled with lots of threads about drugs, like Viagra, even propecia, etc.

It would be quite a job to move them all.

I think a lot of guys put the prescription stuff here, and the vitamins/over the counter stuff in supplements, but there are Viagra threads over there as well.

As far as putting each supplement in its own folder, that’s just not the way this forum is set up, but searching for a particular supplement should give you what you need.

Thanks CxV8,

I’ve checked it out - the Biotest and Carlson’s 500 are the only 2 products I’ve looked at so far that give you any reasonable shot at 2 gramsDHA/day without having to take gobs of capsules. Interestingly, I ran a cost/benefits spread sheet on a few fish oil products and, in terms of cost/day for a nominal 2 gram/day dose of DHA - here’s what I found:

Cheapest - Sams Club - $0.47/Day - have to take 17, 1000 mg caps - ugh!

Carlson’s 500 - $0.91/Day - Requires 4, 1000 mg caps per day - doable

Biotest Flameout - $1.11/Day - Req 4, 1156 mg caps/day - doable

Barry Sears Zone - $3.43/Day - req 10, 1000 mg caps/day - RipOff! - Ugh!

Again, thanks for the info.

Cheers:)

MrTiPS

Just posted this up in the Supplements forum. Read it if you are thinking about using this drug.

Be Safe guys,
Viroid

By Gene Emery and Toni Clarke Thu Jan 4, 8:21 AM ET

BOSTON (Reuters) - Two Parkinson’s disease drugs cause the same kind of heart damage that led to the withdrawal of the diet drug combination “fen-phen,” according to two studies published on Wednesday.
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Patients taking the drugs pergolide, developed by Eli Lilly & Co. and sold under the brand name Permax, and cabergoline, developed by Pfizer Inc. and sold under the brand Dostinex, had a sharply higher risk of heart valve damage than those taking other therapies, the studies said.

The studies, one of which analyzed the records of 11,417 patients in Britain and one of which tested 245 patients in Italy, reinforce the results of earlier, smaller studies showing drugs that activate a cellular receptor known as 5-HT2b can cause damage to the heart valve, a serious condition that can lead to heart failure and sudden death.

“We recommend that physicians not prescribe drugs that have this biochemical property,” said Bryan Roth, a researcher at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who was not involved in the trials, but viewed the data and commented on it in The
New England Journal of Medicine, where both studies appeared.

Michael Berelowitz, a Pfizer senior vice president, said cabergoline has very modest sales and is only approved in the United States for hyperprolactinemia — a condition in which excessive amounts of the hormone prolactin enter the bloodstream due to benign tumors of the pituitary gland.

He said benefits of the Pfizer drug, which is sold in Europe for Parkinson’s disease, as well as hyperprolactinemia, outweigh the increased risk of heart valve damage, which is noted in the drug’s package insert label.

Lilly officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Such drugs also include the migraine headache drug ergotamine and the amphetamine derivative known as “ecstasy.”

Roth said his team, in a separate piece of research that has yet to be published or reviewed by the scientific community, has identified several other big-selling drugs that have until now not been known to activate the 5-HT2b receptor.

He declined to reveal the names of the drugs until the research has been published.

“We recommend that every drug be screened at this receptor before it goes into humans,” Roth told Reuters in an interview. “It costs just pennies per drug for such a screen.”

The British study showed patients taking pergolide were 7.1 times more likely to develop heart valve damage than those who took other treatments. Patients taking the highest doses of the drug had a 37 times greater risk.

The study showed patients taking cabergoline were 4.9 times more likely to develop heart valve damage. At higher doses patients were 50.3 times more likely to suffer damage.

Both drugs are available in generic form.

A second study, conducted in Italy, tested 245 people, of whom 155 had Parkinson’s disease. Of the diseased population, one group received pergolide, one group received cabergoline and one group received an alternative Parkinson’s treatment. The non-diseased control group received nothing.

The results showed that 23.4 percent of patients taking pergolide and 28.6 percent of patients taking cabergoline suffered heart damage, compared with just 5.6 percent in the control group.

“These are huge risks,” said Roth.

He added they were similar to the kind of damage seen with fen-phen, whose main ingredients were withdrawn in 1997 and forced the drug-maker Wyeth to take more than $21 billion in charges to cover liabilities.

Wyeth’s recalled drugs were fenfluramine, or Pondimin, and dexfenfluramine, or Redux. To make fen-phen, one or the other was combined with another drug called phentermine that is still sold by other companies.

Wyeth, then called American Home Products, recalled Pondimin and Redux after some of the 6 million Americans who had taken fen-phen developed heart-valve problems.

Roth said pergolide is also used to treat restless leg syndrome, a condition in which patients feel a crawling sensation in their legs combined with a need to move them.

(Additional reporting by Ransdell Pierson in New York)

Jesus, that sounds scary.