Finally found the right doctor.

Androgel is crap. Test patches are crap. Everyone is scared shitless of the pins, trust me, it’s no big deal! Cheapest way to go is injection. The doc is going to put you on a shot of 100-200mg/wk, most likely cypionate. Don’t take advice on hormone therapy from anyone who has not experienced HRT. That would be like me giving you piano lessons.

Diesel obviously knows his game, though I think you got him on a topic that gets him excited judging by the plethora of information he gave.LOL Diesel! I have been on HRT for years. I have also imported and ran some pretty nice stacks. I occasionally still enjoy a bit of Finaplix from time to time as well. The ONLY negatives I have seen is I get blood pressure increases when I use over 500 mg/wk of cyp. And my sex drive is uncontrollable, to the point of annoying! What was your lab result in regard to test?

Remember, especially in regard to “better living through pharmaceutical enhancement” knowledge is power and ignorance is bliss! Don’t spend $1,000 a month at GNC buying unregulated garbage and bullshit pro-hormone crap like DHEA when you can spend $45 on a 10ml bottle of test cyp that will last you ten weeks if your shooting 200 mg/wk, which is a standard medicinal dosage. Leave the GNC garbage to the guys that don’t have access to the nectar of the Gods! Just my .02

A lab result is a lab result is a lab result. Why pay another doctor to read a result that says low average test result? There are three primary reasons for test drop: Age, testicular inactivity possibly due to damage ie; hammer to the old nut sack, possible endocrine system issues. I’m sure that any one of your physicians would be more than happy to check out your boys or refer you to a urologist and/or endocrinologist to verify there are no limiting physical factors ie; brain tumor affecting endocrine system function.

I always hear people say that “I heard steroids are dangerous”, where, on television? Perhaps you should check out the 48 hours investigation they had on last year. The guy that headed the entire witch hunt to have steroids added to the controlled substance list as a scheduled substance headed the show and apologized for his ignorance at the end of it! Did you know that the FDA and every other government administration involved in the decision to make steroids scheduled said that it wasn’t necessary. Congress decided to schedule it against the advice of every other “drug related” government body! Like I said, ignorance is bliss and nowhere is that more evident than in congress! Everyone has one argument “what about Lyle Alzado?” Lyle Alzado’s personal physician even stated in a written document that his condition and death had nothing to do with steroid use, which they address in the special. Of course this is all in regard to use by healthy adult males, not teeny boppers.

Richard what I am trying to say is that he checked two doctors both of whom said everything was fine then he checked another one who told him he would have to undergo TRT. So I believe it would be wiser to have the opinion of another one.

About TRT, like I said I know nothing of and he should get the info about it first if that’s what he’s planning to do.

I understand and I am not taking issue with you on that point. The point being that if the levels are low, then the first question is why. You either pursue a specialist to eliminate the more serious causes or you simply opt for treatment ie; HRT. But, seeing another general practitioner will be a waste of time and/or money. A lab result is in, it’s either low or it isn’t. The statement “not real low” and “at the low end of normal” is essentially the same thing. If it is causing you undue stress and you are young enough that it should be higher then get it fixed, because the quality of your life ie; energy, libido and overall well being will be greatly improved. Trust me on this one. Mine was barely over 100ng/dl and now it’s usually around 1,400 ng/dl and I feel 100% better than I did when I was 25 years old!

Well I dunno bout the rest of yous but ow I think about I aint surprised if my test levels are low cause generally Ill sit on my computer all day and eat cereal, biscuits and pizza. When I get pumped up I eat balanced high calorie good meals 4-6per day, protein shakes etc and heavy weights training. I’d suggest the natural route before going on pills. It’s just like a quick fix, if your lifestyle is shit, change it first. Though obviously it does require some hard work and effort.

Did some one say finaplex mmmm the juice of the gods.

I just hate when people talk about juice with no real knowledge of the subject and follow the mass media on the topic.It’s like believing that what you see on CNN is not censored by are government drives me nuts.

I was in the health food business for years and half the stuff is bogus and some of the stuff have even worse sides then steroids but don’t work a tenth as well.

It does amuse me though I would have guys come in to the store buy the stuff that looks most like a steroid bottle, like the old andros but would say they would never take steroids little do they know that the andros are in the same class as steroids they just passed through a loop hole in the law till they changed it. The new andro stuff is doing the same thing the FDA just hasn’t got around to catching them all. These company’s change small chemical things in the product to get through the law and ride it out till the goverment tells them it illegal no selling andros are as bad as selling steroids.

As for natural way taking creatine at 10 grams per day to increase performance is not natural you would have to eat half a cow to get that much.Having synthetic vitamins in a pill is not natural most of the vitamins are synthetic reproductions of the vitamins. Just like synthetic test or synthetic gh are just exact reproduction’s of the hormones that your body produces naturally.

When you say natural think only whole foods that you intake that’s the natural way.

Most people eat their cattle with hormones, I like to DMSO mine baby! Moooooo!

Alzado died of brain cancer no steroid has ever been related to any cancer.

The 48 hours bit said that in all of the cases that they could find, they found 12 that were people using steroids and that none of those 12 could be related to steroid use. So, where are all of the bodies that the juice is killing every year.there are none.

I haven’t checked it out lately, but http://forum.me somorphosis.com … display.php?f=9 used to be a good forum for TRT info. Dr. John Crisler posted there as Swale. If I ever need TRT, I’d prefer his protocol or something very similar. He advocates small doses of HCG along with testosterone.

Best body building forum on the net, bar none, is musclechemistry. That’s my home board and it’s very cool. There’s no open source posting, vast knowledge and membership ranges fro newbie to pro.

Diverdown, that is awesome! Good news bro! I bet your SO is appreciating the stiff rogering you’re able to give her (assuming its a her) on a nightly basis, now, eh? :)