is anal the devil ??????????!!!!!

arm sorry folks

CaptnHook
Please understand that I am very spiritual being and believe very deeply in God…

I understand what you are saying and I studied many different religions and dabbled in some before reaching my views and beliefs but I am merely stating that IMO… all religions (unless its like the Tantric Sex religion) seem to suppress that natural and evolutionary desire for sex and make sex seem as if it was less than a holy act even though it is fully recognized as needed for the survival of the human species and it is obviously part of God’s design for us humans and the animal kingdom as well. However, this unhealthy religious attitude toward sex seems to prevail even when it is sex just between husband and wife (the holy bonding of a man and woman) Procreation is encouraged by religions but you are not supposed to enjoy it too much. It is viewed as if it were an animal behavior and as if true enlightenment can not come from such a primal act of lust. Never mind that the women has to be sexually excited to become lubricated and the man has to be sexually excited to get an erection otherwise no procreation takes place..

Therefore IMO such attitudes can only help to foster a sexual psychological and consequently a chemical imbalance that will create behavior that would have not surfaced otherwise in a healthy human being. Years ago I had a friend that claimed to be extremely religious and was always preaching to me, part of his rant was to try and convince me that carnal desire was wrong and always steer me clear of staring at a hot female ass as we walked down the street together. Long story-Short—-many years later he confessed his strong desire for sex and had one of the biggest personal stash of sexual pornographic material I ever saw and this included videos. He struggled with his guilt for many years and I helped to convince him that his desire for sex was nothing to be ashamed of. My guess about the priest and nun pedophiles is that they know they cannot be sexual with other adults because it would be too scandalous for their purist and religious reputations therefore they start to harbor this unreleased sexual frustrations and pent up feelings towards the innocent children that they know will not judge them because of their innocence. No offense was intended to any religious types—I am merely stating what I think are the logical implications of suppressing your natural sexual desire and the possibilities.

Super-
I admire your faith (envy might be a better word) and I see now what you intended with your original statement. Still, I have to disagree with your contention that a sexual perversion as anti-social as pedophilia can somehow be brought about by a repressed libido. Yes, the absence of an alternative often leads people to engage in sexual behavior they might otherwise find unpalatable (just spend a week in prison). But show me the otherwise healthy priest who having resigned himself to breaking his vows chooses the most despicable form of violation known to society over a willing adult female or adult male liaison. The line that is crossed by the pedophile is one that even the most desperate of men would find themselves unable to breach. It is a sickness that people suffer from that is very difficult for psychologists to understand - let alone cure.
I think you’ll find that nowhere is there a documented case of a mature adult male “becoming” a pedophile on his 30th or even his 70th birthday. The man, priest or otherwise who violates a child is a pedophile; He always has been, and always will be. I’ts not like it’s a preference you might have for blonds over brunettes, or men over women, monogamy over promiscuity. These sick bastards have no control over it themselves, certainly you don’t believe that their church or traditions do?

>My guess about the priest and nun pedophiles is that they know they cannot be sexual with other adults because it would be too scandalous for their purist and religious reputations therefore they start to harbor this unreleased sexual frustrations and pent up feelings towards the innocent children that they know will not judge them because of their innocence. <

What you have described here is textbook pedophilia. However, the idea that a sane person could rationalize away the rape of a child in order to avoid damaging their reputation were they caught instead with an adult simply makes no sense.

I agree with you that sexual repression is pointless in so many ways and even damaging in many others. But pedophilia is not even a part of the lexicon of normal sexuality.
Hopefully our exchange here will help somewhat dispel the growing notion that it is as an affliction of catholic priests due to the traditions of their faith.
It’s unfair, not true, and as I said earlier a misguided attempt by certain interests to discredit the catholic church.

That all said…are you gaining, dude?!

Peace——Cap

:angel:

CaptnHook-
Hmmmmmm I think you would agree that it is possible for a person that was formerly moral and righteous to become corrupt and degenerate and vica versa. As you stated before—the former transformation is a result of mental illness but the latter is perhaps a changing of perspective on life i.e., finding God or spiritual enlightenment is not a result of mental illness although some hardcore atheist might argue that it is. :chuckle: We both agree that pedophiles are sick bastards and thus mentally ill… then why cant we agree that healthy people can become sick and are not necessarily born that way, therefore I submit to you that a priest can become a pedophile if he was not already one to begin with. This does not mean that this is the manner in which a priest necessarily becomes a pedophile since it is possible that he was one already before the priesthood but it certainly a way that is not outside the scope of possibilities.

Thanatos:

The “”death instinct”” which signals a desire to give up the struggle of life

Eros:

The “”life instinct”” sourcing from the libido, which stands for creativity and the sexual and life

Frustration:

Prevention of the satisfaction of instinctual impulse which leads to the damming up of libido

Somewhere between Thanatos and Eros—there can exist illness whether it be physiological or mental. Surpressing- the “Life Instinct” leads to fustration— lets consider the sexual and creativity for a moment. Creativity sometimes sits on the edge of what some would consider to be insanity…Some of your greatest geniuses were somewhat reclusive and borderline schizos.

Therefore, at best, creativity can lead to genius inventions and at its worst it can lead to a warped mind—combine that with sexuality aspect as defined above and you can see how it could have negative sexual psychological consequences that can possibly result in mental illness. If one can have the Thenatos “the death instinct” and give up the struggle for life then I think it is not unreasonable that through mental illness one can give up to give up the struggle for morality. The raping of children is an unthinkable and evil act for those of us that have any conscious and healthy sense of morality but what if sexual suppression gone haywire leads to mental illness in some individuals? You must consider that and not rule it out.

A cut and paste from the Internet, the full article can be viewed here:

Freud began to see that the causes of deviant (or neurotic (hysterical)) behaviour in his patients were the product of mental activity in the unconscious. This was divided into two parts: The preconscious (which contained all the memories and ideas capable of becoming conscious) and the unconscious (which are made up of destructive desires and wishes (and often sexual in nature)). These unconscious wishes are driven by the Pleasure Principle which are tamed by the Reality Principle. An example of how this works can be seen in the natural feeling of hunger. If the basic desire for food occupied one’s mind all the time (Pleasure Principle) then one would not be capable of thinking about ways to get it. So the Reality Principle allows a person to forget food long enough to find ways of getting some. As far as Freud is concerned all thought is a compromise between these preconscious and unconscious aspects of human cognition.

In terms of sex Freud believed everyone was born with a basic desire called the ‘Libido’. When an infant is born this libido is reversed such that it gains pleasure from being stimulated in any part of its body. Developing the libido so that it can relate coherently and responsibly to persons and situations outside of the individual requires experience but Freud believed that in this ‘turning’ things can, and often do, go wrong and that it is from here that neurosis can develop (and be traced back to).

As far as gains are concerned I am still on plateau of sorts but working on some shock routines to try and break out of it but I have not lost any gains—-whewwwwwwwww! :p Thanks for asking CaptnHook. I like all your postings and you are a welcome addition to Thunders and we need more people like you that can inject some life into the threads.

Super-

>I think you would agree that it is possible for a person that was formerly moral and righteous to become corrupt and degenerate and vica versa.<
I do
> As you stated before—the former transformation is a result of mental illness<
I don’t remember stating this - I believe it can apply in some cases. This helps us to explain some sudden patterns of immoral behavior but it should not be mistaken for an amoral personality (pedophiles).
>but the latter is perhaps a changing of perspective on life i.e., finding God or spiritual enlightenment is not a result of mental illness although some hardcore atheist might argue that it is.<
Couldn’t agree more.
>We both agree that pedophiles are sick bastards and thus mentally ill… <
Yes.
>then why cant we agree that healthy people can become sick and are not necessarily born that way<
We do.
>therefore I submit to you that a priest can become a pedophile if he was not already one to begin with. …..it certainly a way that is not outside the scope of possibilities.<
Again, I disagree. The ‘sickness’ that is pedophilia develops in puberty, indeed in some cases pre-puberty thereby guaranteeing an under-developed or ‘immature’ libido (and it is commonly agreed that this is an irreversible flaw). This stagnation renders the pedophile incapable of relating to adults sexually, preferring instead to ‘relate’ to people more in sync with their own immature sense of self: children. (Note here a very infamous pop-stars’ seemingly eternal adolescence)
Yes, we agree that some people ‘become’ mentally ill - trauma, chemical imbalance, genetic/biological predisposition - and yes, nobody is born a pedophile. But what cannot be argued is that the onset of this ‘illness’ happens long before adulthood. It is therefore - I dare say - beyond the scope of possibilities for an adult to ‘become’ a pedophile.
Ergo: Priests don’t become pedophiles, pedophiles become priests.

Super, to take your argument to an extreme let’s imagine three people shipwrecked on an island using anyone of the following combinations : Two men and a boy/ Two women and a boy / Two men and a girl / Two women and a girl. They are stuck on an island with no hope of rescue and let’s assume that both same-sex adults of your choosing are heterosexual.
I think you’ll agree that at some point in time the adults are likely to turn to each-other for sexual companionship - not guaranteed - but this is a far more likely scenario than one of them choosing the child for companionship instead. In fact, it will likely never even occur to the adults to think of the child in a sexual context - that is, provided one of them isn’t a pedophile to begin with.
My point is that one doesn’t simply ‘become’ a pedophile in even the most extreme circumstances. A priest is not shipwrecked - I say this literally and figuratively - he is a member of society and enjoys all of the same options we all do should he find his desire for sexual expression outweighs his vow of celibacy. Given that for the whole of society children are not a vehicle for sexual expression, the priest who violates a child is not resorting to this deviancy for lack of options. He is a pedophile who knows no other option. He never has and never will.

Super- I really enjoy trading thoughts with you, and I follow all of your posts with great interest. Hopefully we will find another subject to discuss as this one is kind of beat. “Faith” is a very rich subject I find myself drawn to and you seem to know it well, (but it certainly doesn’t belong in the “Is Anal the Devil?” thread lol)— maybe someday we’ll get to it. I’ll let you have the last word on this one—-
Thanks——Cap

hey every one i

thanks for the messages but why do u keep going on about weidos all i want to know if u are religious do u think anal is wrong? is it wrong or ok if u belive in god? thats all so i dont think we have to keep going on abut these sick priests and that !! im felling ill!!!!!!1

Hey don mega,

I thought you had agreed to read and follow the Forum Guidelines??

LMAO!

Don-
I think there is nothing wrong whatsoever with you and your lady enjoying each-others bodies, whether it’s her fingertips, the soles of your feet, her ass or your ass. That is MY opinion. As long as you both agree that what you are doing it is okay and nobody gets hurt what other people think really shouldn’t matter. If you, in your heart, decide that anal sex is wrong - then it is wrong. If you, in your heart, believe it is an affront to God - then it is wrong. If you believe that God gave you and your lady your bodies to love each-other with and you both decide that anal sex would be an expression of that love - then it must be right.
But this is all pointless if you don’t feel it yourself. It’s a very personal choice. Trust yourself to know right from wrong - don’t let other people decide for you. You already know the answer.

Have fun!——-Cap

Your (and her’s) Pleasure > God’s Will

CaptnHook

Ok… so what you are saying is that one can not develop sexually deviant behavior once you are in adulthood and that one can not change their sense of morality regarding children even where there is mental illness created by an unusual circumstances that affects their sexual psyche.
Ok I hear you CaptnHook, I still don’t agree but we had a nice debate and expressed different point of views and there is no sense in :horse: How are your gains coming along?

Did this thread take a steep detour?

Super- (fin!)

Gains appear to be really moving along. Thanks for asking. I’m desperately trying to keep my promise not to measure until the end of this month, but the temptation is strong - There is a marked visual difference since I began hanging in earnest. Just going for length right now. I’ll post results in another thread.

But Anna is right—-Let’s not get too distracted from the question we’re faced with here….

…is anal the devil?

—Cap

If it is…I’ve been to hell and back a number of times.