Low Intensity Shockwave Therapy (LiST) for erectile disfunction - is it a scam????

Search the web for ED questionnaire. It is a PDF document with multiple questions and sections A through E.

I used to have ED, but after taking Cialis, getting a P-Shot, and taking supplements, I not longer worry about my erections. However, it’s not like my EQ is always 10/10. Not even close. So what I’m wondering is whether a device like this would be helpful to improve my everyday EQ, or whether it’s only effective for men with ED.

Aren’t you now way too reliant on cialis though? Could you tell me all the steps you have taken to improve ED?

Can anyone seriously claim that they don’t have ED if they are using ED drug. Surely you do have ED as I do being reliant on Viagra when having sex. It can be all psychological though.

What guys like Endover are trying to do is to cure the ED when it has physiological basis and break that reliancy on medicines. Drugs are not the cure. They are made to ease the symptoms basicly.

Only some studies have shown ED drugs having actual curing effects on physiological reasons based ED when used daily for months.

What I believe, which is also what my doctor told me, is that this process is helpful to hold off the onset of ED. So yes I believe it is helpful in improving EQ for everyone. Others may have differing opinions.

I waited until my ED got so bad that cialis did not work at all. All I had was a limp noodle, not even hard enough to shove it in. Gainswave helped me get back to functioning, but my EQ was variable. Having a 70-80% and the occasional 100% erection is certainly better than a 0% or 10% erection, but I was still wanting more consistency and ideally wanted a consistent 100% EQ. I broke down and tried a cock ring and was well pleased with it.

Since then I have had consistent 100% to 110% erections. I’ve only had one failure to perform since using the cock ring, and I think it was probably from too intense PE activity. And my wife and I have a lot of sex.

I characterize my ED as being managed, not being cured. I dont think there is a cure. My total ED&PE program is 5mg/ day of tadilafil (cialis), weekly self treatments with my eswt unit, daily vac pumping program and a cock ring every time for sex. I also occasionally use an extender. I have over 500 hrs in it, but I dialed it back due to my concern of over training.

Caverject is some great stuff (PGE-1) I can tell you that, but…I really don’t want to depend on expensive injections for sex for rest of my life :(

One thing about shockwave is that it improves sensitivity to PDE-5 inhibitors like Cialis.

Why not post the supplements you are taking? Sometimes these supplements and PDE inhibitors actually start to heal some forms of ED. There is lots of research on that, for example, nightly viagra makes sure you have smooth muscle and not collagen in your dick as you grow older.

I don’t think it’s bad taking cialis, but agree it’s masking your root cause.

Make sure to work with a doc to make sure you don’t have lingering diabetes, high blood pressure or atherosclerosis etc. Then, once you’re clear go for it. I personally love the extra mile supplements and such bring to the table.

I have experimented in various shockwave therapies. I first underwent a series of 8 “Gainswave” type treatments in NYC, with one follow up at a clinic in Chicago when I happened to be there on business. As I now understand the science, there are two basic types of shockwave devices. The Gainswave type uses ultra high frequency “shockwave” pulses that (so the theory goes) impact at the cellular level. You will need to be numbed for this treatment. The second is a radial or pneumatic mechanical piston strike that causes the “shock” wave. As I understand it, that type of system does not necessarily reach the cellular level, but has been shown to be efficacious as well.

I can confirm that after my first NYC treatment I experienced solid spontaneous wood after the numbness wore off. The subsequent effects did not seem as pronounced, but I did couple the series of treatments with one PRP or “P-Shot” immediately after one of the shockwave treatments. The immediate results were very impressive, although you are plumped up with extra blood! I do think there is synergy between those two treatments.

I thought the shockwave treatment was beneficial, but too expensive. So, I researched how to buy the device. I never located a “Gainswave” type device that could be obtained for any reasonable price. I did locate a radial/pneumatic system that I purchased, which was still not cheap. I have used that device at various intervals and I think it does work, although I still think the “Gainswave” system provides a better result.

I have seen alternatives advertised, such as “B-Potent”. The device they sell (for $1,000-plus) is in reality a $150 ultrasound home device they put their name/sticker on. Ultrasound is NOT “Gainswave.” I had not previously seen the “Rocket” device in this thread, but I am guessing it is cheap version of a pneumatic device, which would be better than the cheap ultrasound item. I am making this assumption (about the Rocket) based on what it looks like, and the information that it only lasts a certain period of time. I know my pneumatic device also will wear out (1,000,000 pulses or so) and that some recalibration may be needed along the way.

This is a long winded way of saying that in my experience, a “shockwave” protocol can get good results. If you can afford it, try the “Gainswave” type process at a clinic with a series of treatments. Hopefully the pricing will drop. If you want to buy your own device, do the research to know what you’re getting. The radial pulse/pneumatic device does work, but I suspect you may also get what you pay for. And, beware of the scams, such as marketing a $150 device for $1,000-plus.

Interesting. Can you share more about this? It may explain why I experienced improved EQ when I was using ultrasound with cialis (better than cialis alone).

Penile Low Intensity Shock Wave Treatment is Able to Shift PDE5i Nonresponders to Responders: A Double-Blind, Sham Controlled Study - PubMed

Low intensity shock wave treatment is effective even in patients with severe erectile dysfunction who are PDE5i nonresponders. After treatment about half of them were able to achieve erection hard enough for penetration with PDE5i. Longer followup is needed to establish the place of low intensity shock wave treatment in these challenging cases.

Can you elaborate which device you used?

I visited doc, he said my hormonal panel is perfect and I should not be having any PE issues with my blood work.

I haven’t had injuries, just 2 decades of porn induced ED.

At this point I’m using Caverject as treatment.

The device I purchased is a radial shockwave machine made in China. It cost 500 dollars. Search eBay for massager and ed. My ED isn’t completely cured, it improved from about 30% hardness to 80%. Also my morning erections improved from twice a week to five times a week. I can get hard now without direct physical stimulation, my wife had to stroke my cock or blow me before we had sex. Now without direct physical stimulation I can get hard enough for penetration.

I am not sure of these things:
1) How often to use it
2) Should I use blue plastic heads or not?
3) Which head to use?
4) What should be frequency settings?
5) What should be Intensity settings?
6) How many ticks for penis?
7) In which regions of penis should it be applied?

I really have no idea and I can’t seem to find a specific guide also. Any tips?

Hello 32,

I found it interesting you said you can’t cure ED. It seems many people think you can but from my experience I would have to agree. Seems like you should be able to do so but nothing I’ve done so far has stopped the progression.

I’m am now in the same position you were a while back. There has been a decline of the last few years and Mr. Happy ain’t happy anymore. I take 10 mg of Cialis with virtually no result except some unremarkable blood flow. I went to a urologist that did ultrasound and trimix and he diagnosed venous leak. My total testosterone was 543 ng/dl and free test 77 pg/ml.

I’m 68, in good health, eat well and exercise daily. Not married and at present don’t have a girlfriends so I’ve getting to the point of moving ahead with an implant even though I would rather not obviously.

Your message gave me some hope that maybe there is one more thing I can do before I go that route. Can you give the name and model of the eswt you have? Do you use the cock ring with a VED?

Thanks zy

I have a Lingmei sw10 (not sw5) from alibaba. I’m not sure what you mean by ved and cockring. Is this when you slide the c ring on the cylinder, pump up, then slide the c ring onto the penis? I do not do that.