Defeating The Dartos - Turtling Thread

Hey guys.
I wanted to start a little discussion on the subject of penile retraction, aka turtling.
It’s a known physiologic reflex, which seems to be triggered mainly by cold temperature and sympathetic stress [fight or flight response].

I’ve been on ADD medication since I was 12 years old. It was only recently that I learned the penile retraction reflex is frequently enhanced by that class of medication; which makes sense, it’s basically a sympathetic stimulant. So now I at least understand why it’s always been an issue for me.

There are a few ways that guys have said they deal with the problem, aside from attempting to avoid things that cause the phenomenon:
-Weights to pull resistance to the retraction
-Sleeves or Wraps that essentially act as low tension extenders
-Pharmacologic therapy in the form of Botox injection into the dartos fascia

The two areas of interest to me are: 1) Who’s affected by this? Does native size, genetic/ethnic background, circumcision status, etc seem to correlate, etc? 2) What seems to best alleviate or reduce the problem? What’s worked for you? What hasn’t?

I’m a 45 year old male & have suffered from this my entire life. With it certainly does leave little for the eye. I am not on any substances other than testosterone injections & an estrogen blocker as I suffer from low T. Being on this has resolved any ED concerns.

With that being said I am honestly sick of living with this & have no ideas how it can be resolved if it even can be.

I pump, extend & clamp along with jelqs. None of this has seemed to help in any noticable fashion.

I am circumcised, 6 ft tall 275lbs so I’m a big guy & the fat pad is thicker than I like. I know this is part of the cause & the only thing I’ve found to temporarily resolve the turtling is direct heat but again it is short lived.

I’m open for suggestions & tips so I’m listening.

I know for most of the people it’s linked to high cortisol (figh or flight).
If it were my case I would in this order : stop drinking morning cofee (specially on empty stomach), check my sleep, start working out, take vitamin D supplements, start meditate, clean my diet.there’s also a good herb for cortisol that I take it’s called Ashwagandha.

Peace

Le R

I work out 5 days a week, eat clean, take vitamin D & I don’t drink caffeine of any kind.

I wish that would be the trick for resolution however for me it is not.

I will read up on the herbal supplement you mentioned.

Try going commando for a few months.

I think it is just a natural thing that can not be stopped,however, I am hanging now for length with the thought that as my longer penis turtles, it can’t shrink nearly as small. I am a nudists, so unlike a lot of posts here that are only interested in BPEL, I am interested in BP FL. Can I go from a grower to a shower?

It depends what type of penis tissue you have. Just a little more elastic than the avarage or extreme elasticity. This is called by german extender manufacturer Penimaster Meat or Blood penis. If your minimum flaccid size needs to be multiplied with no more than 1,9X to equal erect size for example flaccid minimum 10cm erect 19cm that is exactly 1,9X factor you have a meat penis. If it is smaller like 7cm minimum flaccid and 19cm erect it is an extremely elastic penis or blood penis.

It’s hard to say how much of an improvement you can get.

The things that work is making the penis LESS ELASTIC. Which will make it more like a normal one. by:

Weight hanging heavy weights.

Ligament cut surgery.

Botox injection in the turtling muscle.

The best approach if you do not want to have this problem in your life anymore is to do all three options.

Titleist

I sleep nude & oddly my wife has said the same thing why wear them at all seeing that if I’m not going in public I’m not wearing them. I’m always shorts no underpants when home.

Thinking I might give that a go.

HenrikL

I’d have to say I’m a blood penis. Very elastic like. I stretch it out & let go it snaps back like a rubber band.

Can we break the dartos muscle? I mean you can tear a bicep so that it athropies and never comes back, what about ripping the dartos muscle in half?

I am sorry that is bad news than considering you desired result. I think the shaft itself has little chance of becoming normal elastic penis tissue. So your eventual betterment would have to come from less Dartos muscle retraction and longer ligaments. Heavy penis hanging would be a good place to start. Maybe ask in the surgery forum about cutting the ligaments of the penis.

Do i understand that right?

If you have small flaccid with huge expansion, then it means huge potential for PE. You have very high amount of elastin, which you can stretch. In the process elastin is going to lose partially it’s functions and flaccid will be much bigger than it was before. With huge erection size.

I don’t think this is correct since if you have unnormal penis anatomy too elastic it will heal in its small contracted state. However I wish low T the best success in trying to get a bigger flaccid, something I try for everyday.

No, it’s not that kind of muscle. It’s a contiguous layer of smooth muscle under the skin. Botox can be used to paralyze it, but it has to be injected and it only lasts for bout a month.