Originally Posted by remek
Many men experience decreased gains after ejaculation.
Do you mean they measured 6.75” one day and then jerked off after their workout and the next day they were 6.5”? Or that they were gaining .25” a month without masturbating and then started doing it and stopped making gains or gained less in the same amount of time? It would help to know what you mean by “decreased gains.”
BG said: And as far as ejaculation: edging, or just holding it as long as you can while you are clamping or pumping is very beneficial to girth gains. It has helped me a lot. If I ejaculate after girth work I lose girth immediately, where as if I hold it back a few days (the more the better) I keep the post girth workout engorgement for several days without turtling. “And believe me, keeping the penis as thick possible for as long as possible builds girth. I’m not alone with any of this. I’m sure lots of members feel this way about the … Ejaculation issue.
First of all, BG is an extreme PEer. He does more in a week than most guys do in a month. Also, he’s talking about clamping and pumping while I’m talking about “normal” PE exercises like jelqing and manual stretching. Finally, he’s talking about engorgement or plumpness that doesn’t come with the standard exercises. So his results are not the norm for several reasons.
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WestLA, obviously your expierence is different than Big Girtha’s, so we have a predicment. You think ejaculating doesn’t affect gains whatsoever, and I (along with many other men) think it does. You state “No masturbation doesn’t affect gains!!!!” With what proof? With your expierence? Is this your opinion? Or is this a medical fact?
It’s a combination. I haven’t done active PE for two years. When I was doing it I was jelqing, stretching and a couple times a week I used a vacuum pump for two or three 10 minute sessions. I masturbated afterward at least half the time and at times about 70% of my workouts ended in ejaculation. I gained .25% each month “in spite” of pleasuring myself after most of the sessions. It is not only my opinion, but also that of others who were here on the site long before me. Luvdadus (a physician) comes to mind as one who said he regularly had sex with his wife and continued to gain without negative effects. There are others (see their posts in the long list of threads on this topic that I posted above). Medical fact? Most studies done on tissue expansion involve constant traction devices and they don’t involve organs with the normal ability to expand and contract as does the penis. So I doubt we’d find much in the literature about compression or contraction of expanded tissues and its effect on growth rate (perhaps the med students or those with easy access the full text medical literature would be able to do a search for us.)
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If it is a “medical observation,” then let me remind the people that exercising the penis doesn’t make it any bigger — or at least, that is what medical observation claims…
You’re confusing subjective reporting and “giving the standard response.” I seriously doubt there’s any medical conspiracy to give false information about PE. It’s just that physicians are not trained in PE methods and view most complaints about penis size as a psychological problem, especially if there is no pain or problems having sex or getting someone pregnant. We have several physicians, medical students and nurses here who do believe in it and accusing one of us of “giving the standard response” isn’t quite fair.
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I just have a problem with people passing off 100 percent bold facts, when they surely are not.
My statements are based on my personal experience and that of those here before me as reported in the threads on this subject. The reason I word my reply so strongly is that this type of question often comes from Newbies. They have enough trouble not getting completely erect while doing the exercises much less trying not to ejaculate. If I agreed that jerking off reduced ones ability to gain with PE exercises, most of them would probably quit. By saying that masturbation does not affect gains (and I do believe it, I’m not just saying it to help the new guys) then I’m at least allowing them to get over the first hurdle as they try to make for themselves a bigger penis. Later on, if they feel they aren’t gaining as much as they feel they should or as much as they did in the beginning and they believe it may be due to ejaculating too soon after their workout, then it’s up to them to decide if they want to change the way they do things. But if they ask for my opinion then I’m going to tell them that it won’t make any difference if they jerk off or not.
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In closing, I say: To each, his own.
I’ll agree with that.
If you really want to see if it makes any difference, then you’ll have to do a study. A survey isn’t valid enough since you aren’t controlling the variables. You’ll have to get two groups of guys with similar ages, physical condition, sexual histories, martial status, etc. and then have them to the same exercises for the same amount of time while drinking the same amounts of water and eating similarly healthy diets, and then see who gained and who didn’t.
But I’d wait until the new survey is done first. :)