Remarkable article about testosterone and penis size.

Hello fellow PE-ers! Just read this article, and i am sure a lot of you guys have heard this story aswell.

https://www.tec hly.com.au/2017 … e-testosterone/

A 30-something year old man doubled his penis-size by testosterone treatment. He wasn´t like everyone else as he suffered from hypogonadism and had walked through his life with very low amount of testosterone. Reading this made me think about testosterone and its relation to our penis size. It certainly sounds like a boy who walks through his whole childhood and puberty with high testosterone would grow a bigger penis than someone with lower doses.
Or is it the genetics which say exactly how big our penis will be - and eventually you will get there as long as you at one point in your life has the testosterone in your body to take you there.
To make my question more clear - would this man have a much bigger penis if he had gotten the testosterone treatment earlier in his life? - or did he gain maximal size because it is set in stone in his genetics, but he never had the hormones in his body first to take him there before treatment.

The reason that i am so focused on hormones and other stuff is that i suspect that i went through most of my childhood and teenage years with low testosterone. Despite being skinny i´ve had semi-manboobs as long as i can remember. I don´t have many very manly features naturally except for my height.. i have wide hips, big legs and like i said always had a big chest - both muscle and fat. My puberty came late and i don´t have a lot of facial hair neither is my voice very deep.

I will go and check my hormones and the doctor, i am just procrastinating it for some reason.

I am just worrying about not having optimal hormones during growth years could have held back my penis developement. And if that is the case will my penis grow if i get on testosterone treatment? Thankful for any answer.

I just feel as there is some connection between manly features in general and a big penis.

How is your energy levels? Do you wake up feeling energized or do you always want to go back to sleep? How long do your energy levels last? How is your erections? Firm or soft?

From what I understand penis growth is kind of complex and not 100% understood. But DHT seems to be responsible for most secondary sexual characteristics. Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is converted from Testosterone. Some people who try DHT steroids experience penile growth. The problem here is that you can have high testosterone and low DHT.

Therefore I would advise you to test Testosterone, Total Testosterone, SHBG, Albumin, Estrogen / Estradiol (E2) and Prolactin. Also make sure the doctor shows you the results. A lot of doctors will say that your levels are in range, when they in fact are low. Testosterone should be high, the rest should be low.

Lets say you have high testosterone and high estradiol. This means that a part of your testosterone that should be converted to DHT, is actually converted to Estradiol instead.

Manboobs or gynecomastia is caused by high estradiol or high prolactin. Which means that you can have high testosterone levels, but it’s converting into the wrong things.

It’s a fallacy. I have low T and have been on replacement.

Don’t be fooled. One teste didn’t descend at birth and I’ve had low T because of it. I’m 6’2” and had an above average penis before PE.

I respectfully disagree with you.

Without T and DHT, penis growth is pretty much impossible. Many guys with hypogonadism suffer from micropenis. Same with people who suffer from Klinefelter syndrome with low T levels, a lot of them doesn’t see any penile growth. Remember the guy who never hit puberty? He didn’t grow tall, and his penis didn’t develop either.

Also, if we give a girl test injections, her clit with begin to grow. So there is for sure a connection.

Would you mind elaborate a little bit on your low T. How was your levels? Did you measure bound T, free T and the others, or just bound T? Did you measure your levels during puberty? A lot of people who suffer from low T in adulthood still had adequate levels during puberty.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe the biggest part is genetics, but without T and DHT it doesn’t grow. Which means, if you never experienced high T / DHT during puberty as you should, there’s a likelihood that you could be able to increase size with hormone therapy.

I wouldn’t get too caught up in free T years ago mine was checked and it was twice the high normal. At that time my dr didn’t know much about bound T or free T and so on as he’s a general Dr not a specialist, so he was very concerned that I had a possible tumor causing such high free T. He wanted me to go for a CAT scan, that’s a lot of radiation for something he knew little about and so I went with my gut and said fuck no to the C-scan. I’m thankful I did because last time I saw him I said we should probably do a full make up of my blood work again as it’s been years, he said “you know I knew very little about bound T and free T at the time so it’s a good thing you never got the scan”. Bound T as it’s been explained to me is important for us men in many ways but I haven’t heard it being as important for penis growth. There is an obvious role played but I put more weight on genetics in general. Grandpa and dad have/had small dicks, odds aren’t in your favor of being 8x6

Bound t is inactive and unable to give you any type of benefit. Free t is distinct from total t in so much as your total t the sum of what exists in your body at any one point, but your free t what’s available to your body for your use.

For example. You can have high levels of bound t, high E2, high SHBG and low free t. On the paper you have high T, but your body isn’t using it, thus you’ll feel like shit.

In the same way, you can have normal to low levels of bound t, low E2, low SHBG and very high free t. On paper you have low/mid T, but you’ll feel like a champ because your body is making max usage of it.

Bound T = useless

Good thing you went with your gut man.

I was never measured as a child. All I know is I was on replacement and it didn’t change a thing.

It may make a difference during puberty, but I doubt parents are having kids going through puberty tested for low T.

Just didn’t make sense putting my body through all that for what amounted to a shot in the dark. Plus I had had a scan a few years before because through an x-ray it was discovered I had an abnormally large spleen(why not my cock lol) All I remember from that scan was fasting, drinking some milkish liquid and not being warned about shitting my brains out the whole time I waited to be scanned. No thanks!

Anyway I believe there are many benefits for us once we get to a certain age to have a full blood make up and have it read by not just a general practitioner but also a Dr that specializes in hormones, genetics and diet etc. I guess a “wellness center” so to speak. We don’t have anything like that where I live upstate but it would be nice because I’m hitting middle age and I’m feeling it. I know something is off with me, maybe it’s my T levels maybe not, maybe just being 36 with lots of mileage on me. I really do need to go tomorrow and finally have my blood drawn. It’s weird I have up and down days, sometimes I feel like myself, great mood, great energy fun loving me, then BAM tired, sluggish, can’t think clear, almost depressed and no motivation.

T lvl’s go down as we age, but being depressed with no motivation is your 30’s even your 40’s is an indication that something is wrong.

Another thing that is often overlooked is the thyroid. Sluggish thyroid = sluggish thinking. The thyroid can be both overactive and underactive. An underactive thyroid will often give the same symptoms as low testosterone. In fact, having an underactive thyroid can even lead to low testosterone.

You know the type of guy who’s always ripped no matter what he does? He most likely has an overactive thyroid. We also know the fat guy with low energy levels that even with full dedication can’t seem to get ripped, no matter what he does. Underactive thyroid.

So if you feel like something is wrong, I would urge you to do a blood test to first check your sex hormones, but also TSH, T3, T4 and RT3 + TPOAb. Will cost you a bit more but it will show you exactly where the issue is so you can tackle the underlying problem.

Big problem today is that most doctors aren’t equipped with the knowledge to help us out, so it’s important that we educate ourselves since health is the most important thing we possess.

Funny you mentioned thyroid as I was actually typing something about that and then deleted the sentence before hitting post. My dad had a thyroid issue and lost weight regardless of how bad his diet and alcohol intake was. Thyroid issues can cause panic attacks along with mood swings. Those are somehings he and I have/had in common. The blood work my dr order was as far as I know a more extensive look then the usual. My T levels were to be checked along with thyroid and the regular stuff they look at. I’m gonna force myself to go tomorrow morning as it’s a fasting test.

There you go!

Thyroid issues are often genetic so if our parents suffer, usally we do aswell.

Great man. And make sure you get to see the results aswell. A lot of doctors will interpret them on your behalf and say they’re “ok” when in fact, they’re not.

Just an example regarding T levels. Normal T ranges from 270 ng/dL to 1070 ng/dL. Lets say a depressed 25 year old checks himself and it comes up with 300 ng/dL. The doctor will say that he’s in the normal range, even though he has the same t levels as a 80 year old. And I can assure you, 99.9% that his depression is due to low T. The doctor will instead put him on anti-depressants and voalá - an endless cycle begins.

I’m hypogonadic, T levels at 140ish without HRT. Been tested and e2 is fine, thyroid is fine, etc. I don’t recall free vs bound t but I take nettle root to keep free T high.

After HRT (gel), my T levels are now optimal and energy and EQ are pretty good for an old (57) guy like me.

So through all this treatment, no change in the size of my unit, so I didn’t see any size impact even though my T levels went from 12 year old boy to near 1000.

That’s my experience, for what it’s worth.

- Jxx

He didn’t say he has “no testosterone” , he said he was low.

I too have been low my whole life. Even though I have always tested low (and at 18 the doctors were worried since I looked like a little kid), as an adult I show no signs of low testosterone. I actually went into puberty later in life ( started at 18.5 , finished at 22) but I grew to 6’6” regardless. I didn’t even shave until I was 19.

My tests levels are still low but I am muscular (especially for my age), I have a heavy beard and am very masculine. I also am horny as I was at 21 and even before PE my penis was above average. No one knows why I don’t suffer the physical effects of having low test levels (free and total) but I don’t. So I think test levels have jack to do with size. Some of the biggest dicks I have seen are attached to men that are clearly high in estrogen and low in test.

I don’t think the female example is relevant to males.

I never stated he did either. I just explained what happens to people without moderate male hormones. I think Titleist is able to discuss on his own behalf. Back to the subject..

I understand that you don’t think that T levels has anything to do with size. I think that everyone should be born with a 8 inch cock. What we think and what is are two entirely different things.

You’re also an expection to the rule, therefore you can’t use it as an argument. It’s like saying when there’s evidence that the average size is lets say 5 inch and then say - “but I know two guys who’s 9 inch therefore that must be the average”.

What I’m curious about is the following. Did you just measure T? Or did you measure DHT aswell? What was your DHT levels? What about HGH?

DHT is the “real” male hormone and seems to be responsible for the majority of secondary sexual characteristics, with other words, the things that make you male. So, you can actually be low / mid t, and still have high levels of DHT.

HGH is also responsible for much of the growth. People who get HGH treatment during puberty experience increased testicular size. People with smaller penile growth has also been found to be HGH deficient.

Enough about the girl. You can take a transgender boy then. Give the boy huge amount of estrogen before and during puberty, and he will see minimal grow.

My point is this, as stated in the first post. You will not experience growth just like that if you jump on TRT. However, if you never seen adequate growth of your penis, TRT + DHT steroids might actually increase your penis size.

It would also be interesting to know your take on penis growth. Why do you think the penis grow? Stating “I don’t think T has jack shit to do with penis growth.” and not saying why doesn’t promote a healthy discussion.

/ Best

From what I understood regarding DHT and the receptors in the penis - if a guy was hypogonadic during puberty, then he may not have reached his potential due to lack of enough DHT. Some studies have found that in these cases, exposing those receptors to DHT can stimulate growth.
For the rest of the normal population, the DHT already did it’s job during normal puberty, so DHT in later years most likely has no added effect.

Regarding the issue of low T in adulthood - most doctors aren’t well-equipped to deal with these issues. In recent years, there’s been a surge in the number of doctors working in age management medicine and men’s health. These docs are the ones who would know more about the complete realm of testing including total T, free T, SHBG, E2, Thyroid, etc. There are urologists who are now more focused on this as well. They are the ones best suited to deal with all these issues, in my opinion.

From my experience, about 6 years ago (i was 49 at the time), I asked my regular doc about low T. He did the test and said that my levels of total T at around 270 were fine for my age. I didn’t agree, as I was overweight, couldn’t lose weight with diet and exercise, etc. I sought out a doc from one of these age management practices (as i had seen their ads in many in-flight magazines), so I figured I’d find out. After a lot of skepticism, I decided to enroll with them. I got a full blood work up and full physical exam, DEXA scan, VO2 testing, physical and mental tests to determine all aspects of my aging. It was an eye opener. It taught me a lot about our blood chemistry, hormones, nutrition and exercise. They put me on T replacement, a better diet and exercise plan. It was very expensive though. They would monitor blood tests every 3 months, and there was a yearly re-examination. The entire regimen worked well, and you could see results in blood chemistry, and physical appearance and exercise capacity. That lasted only two years when I couldn’t afford it anymore.

I then found a urologist who specialized in men’s health and age management as well. This was great, because now my entire hormone replacement was covered by insurance.

My point is - if you can find a urologist that specializes in these areas, you’ll get someone who understands these issues and will be able to treat the condition much better. If you can afford the high priced age management companies (I’ll keep their names out since I don’t want to advertise for them), even better, but it’s not necessary.

Good luck!