Should LOT affect the angle you jelq.Problems with upward jelq as well

Hi Folks

Just read the LOT 101 thread.

When LOT theory and angles are discussed, it is always about stretching. But how about jelqing?

I have a low LOT (6-7ish). To get at the tunica, technically I should be jelqing upwards. But I’ve read the manual and it says an upward jelq is good to restrict length gains and focus on girth (opposite of what I want to do.)

Also, I find it near impossible to do an upwards jelq. The first jelq goes fine. But it brings up tissue so the second jelq is gripping not only my unit but also a ton of tissue. I find that this makes it _much_ more difficult for me to jelq and keep an erection. Is this the proper form? Any tips? A downward jelq goes fine.

I don’t personally give a lot of credence to LOT Theory. I wouldn’t worry about your low LOT. From what I have seen, it has nothing to do with your potential for gains.

As for jelqing, do with whatever is most comfortable. Jelqing primarily works your shaft. Jelqing downwardly might apply some stress to your ligs, but they’re not the main focus.

If jelqing up is too hard, jelq down. I don’t think it makes any difference.

I think LOT is BS as well.

I think LOT theory might have some merit, but I don’t think jelking puts enough longitudinal stress on the ligs so that it would matter what angle you are using. Don’t worry about lot. Use the jelk angle that gives you the best jelk.

I have yet another question (but then I am a Newbie, so it’s not like that is unexpected, right? :D )

If it is OK to not put a lot of stock in LOT as a predictor of gains, is it still OK to use LOT as a guide on when to focus on ligaments vs. Tunica?

I think that when you are ready to start hanging, you should do the standard straight down and between the cheeks hanging. It seems to be most effective for people regardless of LOT. Most people would probably get some newbie gains with a basic regimin, and it would be interesting to monitor LOT during that time. If LOT changes as you continue to hang, you might be stretching your ligaments as the theory states. Working on Tunica stretching and specialized angles of hanging is difficult and best saved as last resort measures after your gains stall out.

I understand that extreme measures are best as a last resort. I was just asking out of curiosity and in a theoretical kind of way.

But thank you very much for the informative reply, mravg. :)

Never let the LOT theory hinder you in any way. The theory is complete nonsense.

I’m glad I came back to this site and read this conversation. I was quite disheartened afterreading the LOT theory and realising I had a very low LOT - between 6 and 7.

I’ve started back again with a basic stretching routine for now :D

LOT Theory is based on a misreading of anatomy. You can safely ignore it. I also believe (and I’ve done some work to support this) that lig gains are a misreading of anatomy. Ultimately, all gains come from lengthening the shaft.

Stretching the ligs might help you to stretch the shaft, however. If your ligs are very tight, loosening them can create enough slack to allow you to apply tension to the parts of your shaft behind the ligs, and thus help to promote growth.

So I wouldn’t rule out downward hanging. Lig stretching has its place, at least some of the time. Also, downward stretching may for some guys be a very efficient way of stretching the shaft, especially the dorsal fibers (which are very tough).

No. A better test is to pull out your penis at the angle at which you want to hang, and feel where the tension is placed. You can test the tension with your fingers, or just pay attention to the structures and note which structures feel tight and which feel lax. Are your ligs being stretched, or do you feel the tension farther back, closer to your pelvic bones (the ones you sit on)? Adjust the angle until you feel the tension exclusively on the part you want to stretch.

Lower angles generally work best for ligs; higher angles generally work best for shaft. The exception is that some of the dorsal fibers of the shaft can probably be hit very effectively with downward stretching. Try playing with the angle, and settle on the one that feels the most productive.

Convenience and comfort also play a role. Hanging at a non-optimal angle can be better in the long run than hanging at an optimal one if you’re more comfortable and will log more hours at the non-optimal angle.

Thanks guys.

Any advice on the upward jelq? I’d like as many methods in my book as possible, even I don’t use them all :)

Modesto,

Very insightful thoughts, thank you very much.

:Up:

But another question if I may:

Can this be interpreted as support for the train in the fatigued state theory?

And if I am off topic, I apologize. I already asked that in the Training protocol thread. If you have an opinion and are inclined to share, feel free to answer there, if that is too unrelated to this topic.

Thanks, Modesto.