Starting all over, this time with different, better methods. How would you do it?

Let’s discuss how you would do PE if you could start all over with knowledge what you have gained. I would surely do it differently than how I actually did it.

Little backround. Started PE in 2016 straight with Bib’s hangers starter and HC. Had huge motivation and tried 6 months to get hanging work but I never got it right. At best it was comfortable up to over 10 lbs, but I think I always hanged with too much blood in front and under hanger. Despite my best efforts to get excess blood out before tightening. I got edema and permanen 0,4” girth gain middle of shaft to top. It is probably scar tissue/fibrosis from hanging with too much blood. Also skin got discolored and stretched. Had inflammation and soreness and I was just brutalizing my dick. Horrible and I regret that. Luckily it did not destroy my EQ and have had my best erections in life years after that 6 months hanging journey. Gained about 0,5” length in 6 months. As newbie I think I could have gained that from some light force ADS or just about any stretching device or manual stretches.

Also at that time I had bathmate without gauge. Shitty device in my opinion (the one without gauge). One time I was pushing it very hard towards me to incease suction and felt sharp pain in left side groin. Tendon, vein or vas deferens too a hit. Area was inflammed and sore for few days but it recovered. Another stupidity of harming myself with doing PE wrong.

After 6 months I bought VacHanger 3 and the day I tried it first time I regretted that I have not bought vacuum hanger right away or very soon when I realized I could not get bib hanging to work technique wise. I would have gained much more and easier way. My motivation was not same so I ended up not hanging much. Instead I used ESL40 ADS big hours +10 hours a day and doing multiple short heavy manual stretching sessions. I thought I made deformation with manuals and use ADS to heal while extended. Gained additional 0,2 - 0,5”. So total permanent gains in length about 0,7 - 1” which remain after many years not doing any PE. Starting measurements were about 5” NBPEL and 5” MEG. Now 5,7-6” NBPEL and 5.5” MEG. Bone pressed it don’t know because when I did more PE I started to cheat and push ruler down under pubic bone. When I started BPEL was around 6” and now it’s about 7” and I am 7” in pump tube. I have measured 7.5” but that’s pushing very hard low on pubic bone.

Now I am planning coming back to PE to gain another 1” none bone pressed lenght to 7” and also just a little bit girth and improve vascularity and EQ. I do not know if my previous high force stretching and hanging has made my dick tough to gain more. All I can do is try out.

This time I plan to do it like this. This is how I would like me to have started PE in first place.

This is the equipment I have;
-VacHanger 3
-VacExtender 4
-JES extender
-ESL40
-ThickWall penis pump with gauge

I am thinking the best way to start is to use low force and build up time under tension. So ADS/extender is used. At home I can use JES extender with VacHanger attachment and monitor spring tension. At work I can use VacHanger attachment and elastic band strapped under my knee. There is little problem with force as it is difficult to measure. I can measure it with luggage/fishing scale in one position, example standing, but I sit mostly at work and then force is different (less) than standing.

Building up the intensity and time from few hours with 1200g to 10+ hours with maximum extender spring strength 2800g. Progression done in at least 2 months period. If I do not seed any gains in many months I will start hanging with VacHanger and still use ADS. Hanging BTC and over fulcrum building slowly to 15 lbs. I have done 19 lbs with VacHanger so it can take 15 lbs no problem, but it would be great to gain with even lower weight. Then if gains do not come or stop throw in heavy manual stretches after hanging session. I don’t know if these are beneficial, but I remember LG Hanger guy said somewhere he does heavy manuals after hanging. It would be great if all is needed to gain that 1” would be consistend 10+ hours of extender/ADS.

With extender/ADS I will use hand warmer pads taped to shaft. And at home electric heating pad around shaft. When hanging I will get 250W IR lamp. Ultrasound sounds very promising, but it sounds too advanced for me at this stage. Maybe if everything else fails I will get 3MHz, 2,5W/cm2 US device. I believe heat is in critical importance.

I will also do water pumping with my thickwall pump and so warm water that I can bare. Maybe using IR lamp to keep water warm in tube. Pumping I do not know so much of. What I have read progressing up to 20 min sessions with 5 inhg suction every day? Some say you can do longer sessions. And throw in suction variability so that go up to beyond 5 inhq for short time and back to low pressure and then again higher. I really have to read more about pumping programming. I cannot keep real erection for 20 mins in tube so maybe many shorter sets where I go in tube fully erect would be better? Can you guys help me out with pumping programming?

Also I am thinking of buying LG Hanger to try out if that is better than VacHanger3. With VacHanger the suction is made my mouth. I suck out as hard as I can and have no idea how much suction there is in bell dome. With LG suction is made with gauge pump so it’s controlled and I believe it could be better build more quality product than VacHanger? Should I buy LG Hanger?

Also thinking of buying PenisMaster Pro belt with belt. Idea of that is that maybe it would be easiest device to use under pants in work strapped under knee? LG hanger is out of question because I can’t keep pump in my pocket all day so when I go to take a piss or shit I need to reattach device.

One thing I have thought is ADS during night. Penimaster Pro could do that. But if I can reach 10-12h during day is it worthless or even counter productive to increase time under tension more?

Does this sound like a good plan to start it all over?

I don’t have experience hanging. But for pumping, I usually do a 10 minute set, then two longer 20 minute sets all erect at 3hg-5hg. I break them out so that I am erect the entire time. Sometimes it requires edging between sets.

How many times per week?

I have seen people getting good results with the hanging and ADS combo. I’m doing manual hanging at 10 kg and I attribute most of my gains to that. You can see the results in my signature.

LG Hanger and PeniMaster are good but very expensive devices. If money is not an issue, you can go ahead. You can also check out Totalman’s vac hanger. They can go up to 10 kg.

I would recommend making a Wrecking Ball (WB) at home and using it for the entire day, everyday. The parts cost about ₹1000 in my country so it’s pretty cheap. I know a guy who only used the WB for 10+ hours everyday and gained 1.5” in 4 months. You can add a shockload routine before you wear these devices so the stretch that you get from them will be more effective.

May the gains be with you!

Totalman’s Vac hanger looks good. You have that device?

When I allready have VacHanger 3 and it can go up to 10 kg (with sealing sleeve). I don’t want to buy anythin but the best product IF I buy something new. So it must be better than VacHanger 3. Totalman looks good though.

Wrecking Ball seems ok too but would it be better than using VacHanger with elastic band strapped under knee or Penismaster Pro strapped under knee? At home I will be using VacHanger with extender.

Without heat I do not see me gaining anymore as I took my 1” newbie gains and plateaud BAD. Hanging + ADS did not produce gains even in months. I try to use better and more heat this time and last resort will be ultrasound.

You started PE few months ago and now hang 10kg?

I workout 4-5 days per week. But I’ve never been on a specific on/off schedule. I listen to my body. I’ve worked out 5 days and rested 1, but I’ve also worked out two days and rested for 4.

It looks like you don’t need to buy any more devices for now. You are good with what you have. I’m not sure if the LG Hanger can go beyond 10 kg. I doubt it can.

Wrecking Ball is probably the most value for money PE device in the world. It works like a hanger but is as comfortable to wear as an ADS and you can even pee while wearing it. If you have been on a decon break for more than 3 months this device will be very effective for you. Shockloading will make it even better. I would increase the weights very quickly if I were you because you already have quite a lot of experience with hanging. Heavy hanging is giving me the best results.

How long have you been on a decon break for? If it’s more than 3 months then the Hanging + ADS combo should work if you use heat, shockload and use higher weights/tension than before. You should also try targeting different angles so that all the muscles of your dick are being maximized for potential gains.

This is my suggestion to you and I’m planning to follow the same routine myself in the future:-
1. Heat
2. Shockload
3. Heavy hanging using a pulley for 2 hours
4. Wear the WB (3+ kg) until you go to bed at night.

May the gains be with you!

Correct.

I think it would be correct to say the weight is manually hanging on your hand and your hand is holding your penis, so there won’t be 10kg weight on your penis like there would be with a hanger. Is that correct?

I wouldn’t want folks thinking it is ok to hang 10kg in such a short time frame.

I have been on break for about 3 years.

I am thinking that when newbie starts it would be wise to milk all gains he can with very light force but long time under tension. After time is maxed and gains have stopped for many months, only then add more force. Idea behind that is to avoid tissues to tightening up what happens under heavy loads. And if you go to heavy loads right away you could gain first but then hit the wall and become hard gainer because of toughened tissues.

I wish I would have started like this like I write in the first post because I think I would have gained those sub 1” newbie gains with much easier low force methods and not make my dick so resistant that it is very hard to gain more.

This is the exact approach I’m going for, following what folks like Gentlepsychopath and Marinera have laid out. I think there’s a lot of wisdom in that, just easing into things and getting as many gains as possible while avoiding toughening or injury.

Yeah. Most can made measurable gains in first 6 months and after that too, with light force. As I said I started with hanging and then high force manual stretching. I made some gains 0,7-1” but I also made damage to my skin with hanging. Loose skin, stretch marks and discoloration. I could have made those gains with zero skin damage. Also I probably have scar tissue/fibrosis due to improper technique due to hanging, 0,4” more girth due to that.

I tried to use high time under tension with low force AFTER those high force training, but it did not produce any gains because tissues had been toughened.

Haste is the worst. And thinking you have to get those gains NOW fast as possible. Years after starting you thank yourself if you start slowly and make steady slow gains and probably end up gaining more than going in straight with high force and plateau so bad that nothing produces gains anymore. One should be able to see years forward. When looking back, it does not matter if gaining slower if you end up gaining more at the end. When I was younger I was like that too that I wanted to gain lenght immediately. Year forfard seemed eternity. Now at this age it is easy to see that few years in life is very short time and there is no reason to rush things.

Correct.

Look at my signature. I have never used any device for PE and yet I have gained almost an inch in about 9 weeks. When my gains slow down or stop, I intend to buy devices and increase the weight further so that my gains continue. Decon break for about 3 months would be the last resort.

I have observed the temperory flaccid hang just after PE is the best indicator of effectiveness of the routine. Whenever I take a day or two off, I can get the same flaccid hang from even 8 kg as I get from 10 kg. I don’t think my gains will be slowing down any time soon and if they do then, as I said, I will buy devices or take a decon break.

Don’t worry about me dude. I have it all planned for the long term.

P.S. I measured today and I have finally hit 6.5” BPEL on the scale at 100% erection. However, I lose 10% - 15% of erection when I try to take pics and as a result I lose 0.1”. Hence, I will try to exceed the mark by 0.1” at 100% erection so that I can easily take pics.

May the gains be with you!