Starting with well below average girth.

Agree but length won’t give me any more pleasure during sex, that’s why I desire more girth, because I hardly feel anything.

Is pumping mandatory? I’ve heard some really nasty damages occurring from it (as well as enlarged scrotum) from my friends working in health care. It’s almost like clamping feels safer although it probably isn’t. I’m possibly a bit frightened because I don’t have any experience with pumping. Why not go straight to clamping after length have been obtained?

How would really-high-erection based wet-jelqing be compared to dry.jelqs in efficiency on girth?

I’ll join in this thread. My girth is below average. I started PE with MSEG of 4.31” but recently saw a 1/16” increase to 4.38”. I’ve gained a lot of girth just under my glans though, going from 4.31” to 4.69”. I have quite the baseball bat effect coming from all my jelqing.

I’ve never tried to allow it to deter me from having sex. Yeah, it bothers me a great deal, but I don’t let it show. I’ve had good sex too, never had a girl complain - a few have made the comment that it would be better if I was thicker, but all of these times these comments came as the result of me inquiring (mistake). Before I knew about PE, I made it a point to learn how to last as long as I possibly could to counter my deficiencies in size. So, now I have a reputation with a few girls of being able to pound away for hours on end before spilling.

I’ve been pumping for 3 days and I like it. It’s a trip seeing my dick supersized. And I never go above 5Hg. It also seems to be increasing my girth already but that just may be temporary. So far my MSEG went from 4.6 to 4.7”. As I stated before, I started at 4.4”.

IMO nobody should just focus on length or just focus on girth if both of those aspects need increasing.

My daily routine is now, warm up, stretch, pump, jelq. My erections are super hard and the whole thing feels heavier.

Nothing should be mandatory in PE. I’m not a big fan of pumping myself, but to be fair nasty damages from pumping are unlikely if you use low pressure; also, pumping has this not small advantage: it gives you a slight, although not permanent, increase in girth just after few sessions.

Why not go straight to clamping? Apart from the safety issue, the idea is the progressive overload. If you are using the most intense technique at the beginning, it’s unlikely that a less intense technique will work thereafter, so when you’ll plateau (and you will) you’ll have no other choices than waiting your tissue to become weaker (deconditioning break).

So a wiser approach is : use the less force that can be effective and augment the force as a last resort.

Really high erections jelqs have no points : jelqing is about moving blood in your shaft, if you are 90%+ erected you can’t move blood.

Another excellent post marinera.

Lol I think that was a terrible post.

Pumping can produce permanent gains.

Clamping can be used by a knowledgeable newbie i.e. less pressure for shorter time intervals.

Jelqing is about increasing pressure within the penis.

I didn’t mean that newbies like me should clamping straight away but after no more possible gaining from dry jelqs, just skip pumping. It may be a bit exaggeration but I really don’t want a chronically enlarged scrotum which is a possible side effect of longtime pumping, it’s big enough already. The damages itself are probably extremely rare at low pressure.

Most of this is probably a distant future for me so I a long time to overcome my fear of pumping. Average length is not as big of concern but I would like to gain some length and girth focused exercises makes that impossible.

Nah, pumping with balls outside the cylinder won’t give you enlarged scrotum, where you get that from??

I’ve seen pics at our urology-focused classes during my courses in medicine, although not all because of pumping but one or two was because of pumping, short term effects and long term. There was no loss of urinary function or so but it really didn’t look normal. Also I have two friends who’ve seen a bit during their work in Nephrology, mostly old men pumping for long periods of time but still, heavily enlarged balls.
If there was very little risk for chronical hyperplasia in scrotum I wouldn’t hesitate on including pumping in the future but the fact is that chronical tissue-differentiation because of long periods pumping isn’t that rare and the amount included in a normal pumping routine here is no way near normal. Jelqing isn’t perfectly safe either but the effect on the scrotum is less then minimal.

Hmm, sounds surprising. I wonder if anybody got an enlarged scrotum not intentionally from pumping here??

Yeah worth a poll. I never heard that, making exception for those who purposedly pumped their balls.

So could you use the brake bleeder attachments and connect them to a regular sex shop penis pump?

I would be very interested in that, unfortunately I doubt anyone bothered to measure or even photograph their scrotum because it’s not the focus of PE.

The pics where not on anyone practicing PE, they used it for directly sexual purposes. Is the pumping that different? Do pre-sex pumping include pumping of a bigger area than PE pumping?

As I’ve said, I’ve never pumped for my self and my fiends only told me about their patients previously using penis pumps a long period for sexual purposes, not how the did it.

Well one commercial (expensive and shitty) pump is the Kaplan pump. He sells it with 2 cylinders one for the penis with balls out and one that is big enough to put in your balls in as well. If someone uses vacuum on his balls than this can lead to skin stretching and enlargement of the ball sack (some say the balls itself get bigger too). Maybe that’s the reason why those people got bigger scrotum.

Hopefully that’s the issue. Pumping seems to work for a lot of people so I really don’t wanna miss the opportunity if it gives me permanent gains and doesn’t increase my scrotum. But I really should get into hanging before I start with any girth focused routine.