When is it time to move on from the Newbie routine? And what is recommended next?

Hi guys,

I have tried searching for this but it has been quite difficult. I’ve noticed a plateau in my gains with the Newbie routine, and am wondering what to go onto next? It’s fairly well accepted around here that one should focus on length prior to girth - and there are plenty of threads on how to start working on girth - but for people in my boat who want to add in something to the Newbie routine for length, what is the next recommended thing to do?

Is there any sort of consensus on extenders vs stretchers?

Note: Yes I have taken decon breaks, and done all the recommended advice on the Newbie routine. I’m less looking at advice specifically for me, but more general advice for how to pick what to do next.

Thank you for the wonderful community and my wonderful gains so far.

We need a changing in our routine ONLY when the gains stopped for more than 4 weeks.

IF the routine that you were folowing gave you gains in the first place… then you should just add either Intensity , either Volume… NOT both of them at the same time.

And after that occurs, what would you suggest moving on to or adding in?

I can suggest to you many things..
The problem is that PE is so individualistic that whatever works for me , may very easily NOT work for you and the other way around.

Finding something that is delivering gains is pure gold…
So as I said… IF as you say you gained with the Jelqing+Stretching then stay with these 2 and just add volume OR intensity now that your gains came to a stop.

Any suggestion is completely useless because every dick responds differently as I said…
The only thing forums are worthy of , is posting our experiences for others to make conclusions.

Yes, and yet we recommend the Newbie routine to start off with because it’s the best thing for most people to start with.

And as I said, I’m trying to make a thread for people who have followed all of this advice like good Newbies. Added volume as per the Newbie recommendations. Added intensity as able. Titrated to PIs etc. But are now ready to move on.

This is not true, otherwise we wouldn’t be recommending the Newbie routine for every beginner. If you follow the Newbie routine and the recommendations around it to the letter, there will be a large volume of people in my boat who have made some gains and are now ready to progress beyond the Newbie routine. The only difference between us should be the amount we have gained, our sizes, and our goals. This thread is aiming at asking what we should do next. I’m not asking what WILL work for us next, I’m asking what is the recommended next thing to try after the Newbie routine for people who are ready to progress on from it. Should we now try extending? Hanging? ADS? What is the recommended thing for us to try next?

You are still new in PE and this is why your thinking is like that…
The newbie routine is being adviced to anyone that is new to PE simly because it involves Low int and Low vol and rest days in order to create a nice condition without spending money of devices and some people are gaining with it and some don t.
Anyway it is supposed that after the newbie routine if you have added volume and intenisty and you don t have any more gains , you can start any method of your choice.
Starting the new method with low intensity/volume and building up accordingly your Pis.

Its a wise choise in general to go for light intensity method 1st ( like extending) and if this doesn t work then you have to go to a high intensity method (like hanging).

A lot of succesfull ganers never started with the newbie routine…
They got 1st into extending or hanging and gained big time…

This is why I insist telling you that there are NO set up rules

The first part of your quote here is literally all I’ve been asking for the entire time. Now do other people tend to agree that graduates of the NR should try extending next?

The newbie routine is called a newbie routine NOT because the exercises are not advanced but because the INT and VOL are not advanced.
The stretching and jelqing exercises that the newbie routine involves are becoming advanced exercises when you are upping the int and the vol of them.
So a 5 mins stretching with inetnsity close to 500-1000 grams is becoming high advance level if you do it 20 mins with intensity 2000-5000 grams.
The most advanced vets when the devices don t work anymore they are going back to the stretching and jelqing with high vol+int and some of them manage to gain some more…
This is what you don t understand… that there are NO newbie and advanced exercises…. its the int+vol that define the newbie or advanced program.

You can start hanging from day one… anyone can do it…
Starting with 500 grams for 3X10 mins sets and progressing the vol to 4X20 after some weeks and then adding 500grams every week.
You can also start extending from day 1….
1h per day and every week adding one more hour.
There are no rights and wrongs in PE as long as you procceed with every method slowly and progressively.

I insist that IF the stretching and jelqing gave you gains… then do not jump in an other routine because you may regret it…
Just continue what was productive by adding volume 1st and when the new gains stop then add intensity progressively and carefully.

The jumping in an other routine is a wise move ONLY if the newbie routine did NOT deliver any gains at all even when teh vol and int were progressively upped.

Easy man. I’ve read of someone gaining from only the newbie routine after 4 years. Read about decon breaks. Read about less is more.

I mean the guy was 4 years or more only on newbie and making gains.

Starting to feel like I’m beating my head against a wall here. I have read all of this. This thread is not specifically for my situation. This is not my first plateau. I have encountered many, adjusted, followed the advice on this forum religiously. The one piece of advice I can’t find is what is the next after the NR (or next to add in on top of the NR).

How about I rephrase the question as it seems to be causing so much confusion.

After someone has theoretically maxxed out their gains from stretching and jelqing alone. They have read every single line of text on this forum. They have followed it to the letter. For whatever personal reasons they have they want to move on from this. What do you recommend next? The answer is not, continuing with the NR.

Now the question you asked is completely different from the 1st one so here is your answer:

Extending or hanging

What ever you like…according the time and effort you are able to spend.
The extending requires are least 3,5h/day( 3x1h sets with 15 mins breaks)
The hanging at least 1h and 20 mins (3x20mins sets with 10 mins breaks)

Take a look at starting a pumping routine with constant heat. Make sure you get a device that has a hand pump with a gauge.

The gaining success from pumping is very small like 1 in 10 pumpers can gain with it( All the pumping threads in both forums show the same) so this is why I don t mention pumping… Plus its the most dangerous form of PE.

You are incorrect on both accounts. If an extender or hanging works so will pumping. I consider it the safest form of PE that uses a device.