Back after 10 years, but...

A clickbaity title, I know. :D
Anyway, bear with me for some time. :)

First of all, hello to all of the familiar (not so many!) faces and greetings to the new ones. :)

As you can check, I’ve added my last stats entry almost exactly 10 years ago. Wow, that’s some time ago.
In that time I’ve changed my thoughts on penis size and became way more comfortable with my own body.
And I’m thinking of re-starting my PE journey? Wait, what? If I don’t have any insecurities about my dick, why would I bother?

Well, because it’s fun! :D

No, not PE itself per se, I would say it’s a means to an end, but I feel like increasing one’s dick size opens up (*hehe*) more fun during sex. It could be that added 1 inch in length to get to bottom out a girl or that half an inch in girth that makes her eyes pop out when you put it in, but in certain limits it just provides just enough of a different physical stimulation to affect the psychological stimulation of both parties.

So, with my motivation out of the way, how has time treated my penis?
It seems that my last stats were:
BPEL - 6'' (starting PE - 5”)
MSEG - 4.6'' (starting PE - 4.3”)

And unless I was jamming the ruler inside my actual pelvic bone, it seems that I’ve lost a a bit of those gains, but not a frightening amount.
Current stats:
BPEL - 5.6'' (-0.4”)
MSEG - 4.5'' (-0.1”)

I’d say that without any effort for cementing gains and given the 10-years period - that’s a win.

So now this brings us to the future, what am I aiming for?
In general I’d be fine with any gains in any department, but I’d like to aim for the following:
BPEL - 6.5'' (+0.9”)
MSEG - 5.3'' (+0.8”)

And this brings me to the but in the title. “But”, not “butt”.
I came back to the forums, expecting (even intending to ask) the narrative about the approaches and techniques to PE to have changed… But I did not expect it to have changed so much. :D
I’ve read around the recent topics, progress reports, etc. and if I can summarise:
1. The once-touted foundational exercises like manual stretching, jelquing, etc. are considered (maybe not ubiquitously) not only sub-optimal, but actually counter-productive to growth in the long term.
2. Nowadays the cutting-edge for length gains seems to be US + hanging or stretching incrementally (probably a bad summary, but you get the point) + excel sheets.
3. People still seem to be doing the manual exercises however, I just can’t get a feeling of how prevalent the different approaches are.
4. I’m not even going to go into the “Angion Method”. :D

This being said, after reading for a couple of hours the work of many incredible forum members (Kyrpa, 5.5, Tutt, Igigi, Nshaq, if I missed someone - please don’t be offended, it’s a huge body of work), I got quite overwhelmed.
The “getting back to PE” that I had envisioned consisted of a warm wrap and bunch of manual exercises for 20-30 minutes for the first few months, then when they got stale - moving on to ADSing or pumping, etc. Instead it seems on the surface that there is a school of thought that this will lead to mediocre, if any, gains, and only lead to stumping my future growth and that I’d need to instead read a few hundred pages in various topics throughout the forums, learn about physics of tension, mechanisms of collagen expansion, get an US and create a suitable contraption for incremental loading of linear force (be it a hanging or a stretching mechanism).
And don’t get me wrong, I’m all up for anything that makes this community’s dicks bigger, it’s just what I shared a couple of sentences before - I’m overwhelmed… So if I turn out to be exagerating - it’s a function of my overwhelm.

So I'm now wondering a few things:
1. If understanding the small percentage of information that I’ve managed to read from last night ‘till now - even if “newbie gains” are on the table, I am still better off not doing manual exercises, but instead going for the methods that the guys mentioned before developed?
2. What about girth? I’ve seen a couple of comments from Kyrpa that girth is a result of the expansion of the cavernous bodies, which again should happen with a non-erect penis, but I still haven’t read enough to be able to answer this question myself.
3. How come the anecdotal evidence that “old-school” PE works is still very convincing? People on these forums have gained kilometers of length and girth with those approaches and despite reading on some useful comments in regards to what this can be attributed to, I’m still struggling to understand if it’s as simple as “old-school is outdated and ineffective, new-school is better”… Then again, you can’t argue with a person like 5.5, who’s gained more than 2” of length. I just feel that there might be nuances, which I’ve probably missed.
4. Are there downsides to the “new-school” approach?

Just a disclaimer here - I do not want to start a war of opinions. I sincerely hope that there are no “camps” here, just useful information that would help us all here grow our penii. :)

Good morning Vik, I am new here for the first time, learning the current techniques listed on this form. Glad to hear you’re back and good luck on your goals.

Evl

Welcome Vic! I’ve been here almost 5 years. Pretty much every day. I understand your concern/confusion over the “new wave” aspects of PE.

But, I’m pretty sure it’s almost a unanimous opinion here that all newcomers should start with the plain and simple newbie routine. Be consistent, and always use some sort of heat, when possible.

Good luck, and enjoy the gains.

Let me sum this up how I have seen it change.

Old school believed in multiple methods such as jelling, pumping, extenders, bathmate, ADS , and hanging. New school jelqing high potential for injury. Other methods not as efficient. Preferred method is vac hanging for long sets of 1 hour over compression hanging and 20 minute sets.
Time: Old school 10-14 hours a week. New School 5-7 hours a week.
Days off: Old school NEVER. New School it is okay and encouraged.
Weight: Old School higher weights such as 15-20LB. New School lower weights such as 3-7 LB.
Angle: Old School BTC/SO is king focus on ligs. New School Straight out is better focus on generating new cel growth.
ADS: Old school need to keep the tissue stretched after so that it heals like that the more time the better.. New School ADS has to be used with a minimum of 4-6 LB traction or deemed worthless. Also no need to go beyond 4 hours.
Old school: Rice sock for heat. New School ultra sound.

Good summary

Vic,

Check out my progress log. I was probably the first few to follow 5.5 method, and it didn’t work for me. Could be because he was working out his newbie gains while I already had mine. So as typical, you mileage may vary.

I do think there is value to manual stretching. And I’ve gone back to old school, and now seeing some gains again.

Welcome back!

WM12

This is HUGE. Many advocates to new methods forget that newbie gains seem to happen no matter the method. This is why I am hesitant to take up some of the latest methods presented on this forum. I am not saying they don´t work but in my case I am an old dog and it is hard to teach me new tricks. I passed the newbie gain phase so I am in the same boat. I hit my goal and it has been difficult to find the motivation to start up again.

Thanks for the input, everyone!

gomitadelimon, thanks for the summary, some of it aligns with what I’ve managed to read (not that the other parts don’t, I just didn’t have the time to get up to speed with everything :D ).

But I think what you and Wantmore12 mentioned after is very important and that’s the exact nuance I was talking about. Most everything that is not pure mathematics in life has context and a good dose of individual specificity, regardless of whether we’re speaking about nutrition, exercise or car engines. So as I initially said, it is not my intention to see if I/we can discredit any one option, but simply to see if different approaches are still valid or if there is now one tried-and-true-for-everyone method instead.

So as a person who’d like to keep it simple at least initially, the reassurance that stretching + jelqing is still a valid way to go and get good gains (maybe ADS and pumping in the future) really helps for motivation. :)

I’d love to hear more opinions on the matter, so if anyone wants to chime - please go ahead. :)

Yea I’m at a loss on the new vs old method as well. Kypra and Tutt seem to know they’re shit though so I’ve started following the routine they laid out but with a FIR pad and not US.

I’m definitely a big believer in less is more and stick to a 1 on 3 off and do a total of 7 workouts for 21 days then decon a month. I don’t feel 2 months is necessary for decon when you take so many test days and have so few workouts but will repeat cycle like three times then take a 3-6 month decon.

I just don’t want to lose gains during decon. Like how long do you go before your gains are permanent you know?

They’re totally against hanging heavy weight but a veteran of ten years hung 4 times a week and worked up to 45lbs and in that ten year period went from 6.5 to 9.5 so honestly it’s hard to tell who’s right assuming the guy is telling the truth.

One thing I definitely believe is rest is crucial to gaining. I also read another guy gained 3/4 of an inch in two months from only wearing a one pound weight everyday with 2 days rest but Kypra and them seem to think when any stress applied cold can cause strengthening an not length of so it’s hard to know what’s true.

Yo Vik, whassup man? You bring up very good questions to the forum. As an old schooler myself, having gained 2+ with the old and ancient method of ADS for around 7000 hours (cheapo extender in my case) and then hanged around 250 hours and am now into a pumping experiment which got me 1,5cm deeper in the tube in the last month alone (note that some of it is getting old length back from decon period, and this shouldn’t be cemented gains either, not yet at least), I guess that both old and new do work.

But the only constant I see, from what I’ve been reading in the forums and other users experience, is that what works for some, might not work for others. There is no universal enlargement method, so I would recommend going with the safer stuff to avoid drawbacks. Ultrasound sounds fantastic, but what if you overdo it and fry your dick? No one wants that so the physics and biochemistry involved should be very well understood if you’re thinking of venturing into that realm. That’s my 2 cents.

You could read literally everything in this forum and other forums like this and you still wouldn’t h ave a definitive answer about what is actually the best routine/approach.

Its easy to get overwhelmed with information, but in my opinion the best method is to decide on one routine, stick with it for a few months and then measure. If you don’t see any results after a few months, its time to change the routine or up the intensity. And of course listen to your PIs. If you have negative PIs you should take a break or lower the intensity. Otherwise stick to what you have been doing.

Since I found out about PE, my understanding has been that stretching and jelqing are the foundational exercises, and everything else is supplemental/meant for advanced practitioners. The last thing I want to do for PE is hang stuff off my dick or bother with a whole bunch of gadgets. I seem to be gaining with stretching and jelqing, so I’m going to keep doing that for the foreseeable future. I really haven’t been keeping up with all of the latest knowledge.

Likewise, been doing the standard stretch and jelq when given the chance. But damn, it’s pretty intensive, the demand to doing them. At best, over the past few years since I’ve started, I’d probably say I gained 0.2in, and even then I am unsure if it’s just my eyes playing tricks with me.

A bit off subject, a part of me wished I got into this as early as possible, but then again at what age is all these routines best done at? If it’s the same as body building it would probably be a little be after puberty sets in. Had that been the case, I’d probably see some really noticeable gains, but that’s in another lifetime, that lucky sap.

Thanks for the feedback once again, guys. :)

Honestly, I think you’ve more or less summarised why I’m “resistant” towards the new-style of PE.
As you said, redmorsilla, the only constant is that there is no one-size-fits-all approach. Furthermore, you’re a great example of someone who has gained almost 40% dick (that’s length only, volume-wise it’s 65% cm^2 worth of dick), so how can one argue that it doesn’t work? :)

Aside from that, there’s the matter of convenience. A lot of things comply to the 80-20 principle and I’d take the convenience that simpler modalities offer for 80% of the results, unless it is something where I want to be in the “elite” or “professional” categories. And I’m fine with an “above average” dick, thank you! :D

Keep a PE log. I can’t recommend that enough even if it’s just measurements. I wish that I had been more meticulous with my initial measurements because I don’t know exactly what I began with. You won’t have to guesstimate by eyeballing and you won’t be wondering whether it’s perception. Seeing the definitively measured gains (even if small) is encouraging and the same can be true of confirming no gain because clarity aids adjusting to work towards your goal. I also wish I had some before pictures. I did take some for foreskin restoration but I lost them somehow.

I wished I had started different things as a lad, but even if there is an optimum physical age, was I really mature enough? I started foreskin restoration between 18 and 20 and kept at it until my early 30s. While I do not recollect any significant injuries, I did abuse my dick and take risks without evaluating first even as an adult. Further, the formative years are likely not the best to be spending a lot of time focusing on your dick size. Feeling like your dick is too small is an easy enough trap for a man to fall in let alone a goofy boy.

Maybe it’s time to alter your routine. Maybe an ADS would be better if time is an issue. I never mastered jelqs mostly because of the time commitments (not just the actual time but time ALONE). For some months, I did manage to build up jelqs to be a significant portion of my routine, but I ended up causing thrombosis a couple of times then figured I would try something else.